Kinematics problem — Calculating displacements around a circle

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving calculating displacements around a circle, specifically focusing on the concepts of distance covered and displacement in a circular motion context.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of "distance covered" and its relation to displacement. There are attempts to clarify how to calculate displacements from an initial position to points A and B on the circle. Some participants express concerns about missing information and question the need for additional geometric considerations.

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Participants have provided insights into the relationship between arc length and displacement, with some suggesting the use of the cosine rule. There is acknowledgment of the need to establish a coordinate system for further calculations, and while some participants express confidence in their calculations, others seek clarification on the process.

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There is mention of specific requirements for the assignment, including the need to establish a coordinate system and the potential necessity of drawing triangles to aid in the calculations.

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Homework Statement
Radius = 7 m
Distance covered at point A = 2 m
Distance covered at point B = 25 m
Find the displacement of the object from:
a. Initial position to point A
b. Intial position to point B
Relevant Equations
d = 2r
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What does the phrase "distance covered" means in this problem?
 
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Lnewqban said:
What does the phrase "distance covered" means in this problem?
It was just written in the book. All I have to do is find displacement from initial position to A and from initial position to B
 
SSG-E said:
It was just written in the book. All I have to do is find displacement from initial position to A and from initial position to B
How would you do that?
I believe that some information is missing.
 
I assume from the numbers given that the thing is walking around the perimeter of the circle, and the distance covered is the arc length traversed.

If the initial point is denoted O, then the displacements ##\mathbf{OA}## and ##\mathbf{OB}## will be vectors. You will need to use the equations for arc length and the cosine rule to determine the magnitudes of these.
 
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etotheipi said:
I assume from the numbers given that the thing is walking around the perimeter of the circle, and the distance covered is the arc length traversed.

If the initial point is denoted O, then the displacements ##\mathbf{OA}## and ##\mathbf{OB}## will be vectors. You will need to use the equations for arc length and the cosine rule to determine the magnitudes of these.
how?
 
SSG-E said:
how?

I can give you the formulae, but I won't do it for you :wink:. The length of an arc which subtends an angle ##\theta## is ##s = r\theta##, whilst the cosine rule you probably know.

Draw some triangles!
 
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etotheipi said:
I can give you the formulae, but I won't do it for you :wink:. The length of an arc which subtends an angle ##\theta## is ##s = r\theta##, whilst the cosine rule you probably know.

Draw some triangles!
As chord OA = displacement; therefore chord length=displacement = 1.99 m
Is it correct?
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That looks good.

How about part 2? Make sure to be careful with your angles!
 
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etotheipi said:
That looks good.

How about part 2? Make sure to be careful with your angles!
will a triangle also be constructed in part b?
 
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SSG-E said:
will a triangle also be constructed in part b?

Sure! If O is the initial position and C the centre, try considering the triangle defined by the edges OC, OB, BC.
 
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etotheipi said:
Sure! If O is the initial position and C the centre, try considering the triangle defined by the edges OC, OB, BC.
Displacement = 13.7 m Is this correct?
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I think that's also correct, yes.

Technically if it asks you for the displacement, you should establish a coordinate system and write out the components. I don't know whether this is required for your assignment.
 
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etotheipi said:
I think that's also correct, yes.

Technically if it asks you for the displacement, you should establish a coordinate system and write out the components. I don't know whether this is required for your assignment.
Yes its also required how do i do that?
 
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Then suppose you establish a Cartesian coordinate system with the ##\hat{x}## vector horizontal. You will need to first work out what angle each vector makes with the horizontal.
 
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Then suppose you establish a Cartesian coordinate system with the ##\hat{x}## vector horizontal. You will need to first work out what angle each vector makes with the horizontal.
Yes I get it. That is all for my assignment. Thanks for the help ; )
 
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