# Kinematics Problem.

1. Jan 8, 2014

### con31773

A subway train rounds an unbanked curve at 67km/h. A passenger, hanging onto a strap notices an adjacent strap is unused and makes an angle of 15° to the vertical. What is the radius of the turn?

Relation of sines, opposite and hypotenuse of a right triangle. Opposite length=Hypotenuse*sin(angle)
circular motion equations, such as f=mv$^{2}$/r

First convert the speed into meters per second. 67000m/h=18.61m/s
I recognised that the force causing the angle is centrifugal force, and will be equal in magnitude to the centripetal force. Centrifugal force=mgsin(15)=mv$^{2}$/r (from soccahtoa)
r=v$^{2}$/gsin(15) plug in
r=136.4m, which of course is incorrect.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

2. Jan 8, 2014

### BruceW

firstly, what direction is the centrifugal force? This should tell you that mgsin(15)=mv2/r is incorrect. Also, there is another real force which acts on the strap.

3. Jan 8, 2014

### con31773

Well the centrifugal force should point in the opposite direction as the centripetal force, which always points to the center of the circle, therefore, it points in the direction the strap has been displaced. Asides from gravity and the force experienced due to the turning effect, I cant think of any other forces present.

4. Jan 9, 2014

### BruceW

the centre of the circle is not in the direction the strap has been displaced. the strap is hanging at an angle, but the circle is horizontal since the motion is only horizontal. The other force is not obvious at first, because the strap is a continuous object. it's mass is distributed over the object. It is probably easier to think of the strap as simply a very light string with a mass at the end of it. what is the other real force acting on that mass (apart from gravity)?