Kinetic and potential energy (satellite low orbit)

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The problem involves a satellite's circular orbit and the effects of air drag on its radius, leading to changes in orbital speed, kinetic energy, and gravitational potential energy. The original poster seeks to demonstrate specific relationships between these quantities as the radius decreases from r to r - △r.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster discusses using derivatives to find changes in velocity and energy but also considers alternative methods involving algebraic transformations of the radius. Some participants question the validity of these transformations and their application to the velocity equation.

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Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, with some suggesting that using derivatives may be necessary to achieve the desired results. There is an ongoing dialogue about the appropriateness of different mathematical techniques, but no consensus has been reached on a single method.

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The problem is taken from a physics textbook, and participants are navigating the constraints of the problem statement, particularly regarding the smallness of △r compared to r and the implications for calculations.

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Hello, I have this problem statement : "Due to air drag, the radius of a satellite’s circular orbit decreases from r to r - △r, where the positive quantity △r is much less than r. The mass of the satellite is m. Show that the increase in orbital speed is △v = +(△r/2)[(GM/r^3)^1/2]; that the change in kinetic energy is △K = + (GMm/2r^2); that the change in gravitational potential energy is △U = -2△K= - (GMm/r^2)△r; and that the amount of work done by the force of air drag is W = - (GMm/2r^2)△r."
Well, I did the derivative for the velocity equation and I got v' = -(1/2)[(GM/r^3)^1/2], but another way to solve it could be using ""r - △r = (r - △r/r)r = (1-△r/r)r"", my problem is that I don't know how to apply that to the velocity equation.

Doing the derivative of the velocity I get the given results in the problem statement for the kinetic and potential energy, but if instead of doing the derivative...which other method could I use to get the same results?

△K = + (GMm/2r^2)
△U = -2△K= - (GMm/r^2)△r
 
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lucphysics said:
but another way to solve it could be using ""r - △r = (r - △r/r)r = (1-△r/r)r"", my problem is that I don't know how to apply that to the velocity equation.
I don't understand that approach, and the units do not match, so the formula cannot be right (probably just a typo however). What is the goal of that transformation?
 
Instead of use r as the unknown radius, use r - △r because the statement given says:
Due to air drag, the radius of a satellite’s circular orbit decreases from r to r - △r, where the positive quantity △r is much less than r.

But maybe I'm wrong and the only way to demonstrate that the variation of velocity is:
△v = +(△r/2)[(GM/r^3)^1/2]
Is by using derivation.

Ps: this problem is from the book of Sears Zemansky University Physics Vol. I
 
You can calculate the velocity at radius ##r-\Delta r## and at radius ##r## independently, of course, but approximating this to first order is very similar to taking the derivative.
 
Okay, thank you :)!
Another question, for the kinetic and potential energy...should I derivate the equations too?
 
Something like a derivative of some equation is probably useful. You don't need it, but it helps.
 
I'm so grateful for your help, thank you!
 

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