Kinetic energy in parabolic coordinates

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The problem involves proving the expression for kinetic energy in parabolic coordinates, defined as \(\alpha = r + x\) and \(\beta = r - x\), where \(r = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}\). The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the transformation of coordinates and the calculation of kinetic energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the new coordinates to the standard Cartesian coordinates and questions how to derive the components of velocity in this context. They suggest that expressing \(x\) and \(y\) in terms of \(\alpha\) and \(\beta\) may be crucial. Other participants acknowledge this approach and confirm that deriving the kinetic energy in Cartesian coordinates is a known method.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationship between the new coordinates and the kinetic energy expression. Some guidance has been provided regarding the transformation of coordinates, but no consensus or final solution has been reached yet.

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The discussion appears to be situated within a college-level classical mechanics course, indicating a higher level of complexity and understanding is expected from participants.

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Homework Statement



Prove that in parabolic coordinates [itex]\alpha,\beta[/itex] the kinetic energy is [itex]T=m/8(\alpha+\beta)(\dot\alpha^2/\alpha+\dot\beta^2/\beta)[/itex]

Homework Equations



Parabolic coordinates are defined as follows: [itex]\alpha=r+x, \beta=r-x[/itex] with [itex]r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know how to proceed in this situation: in simpler case (spherical or cylindrical coordinates) I write down the three components of velocity using geometrical intuition (e.g. [itex]v_\rho=\dot \rho, v_\phi=\rho \dot\phi,v_z=\dot z[/itex], because I see they are right...). What if I get only the definition of the new coordinates?
 
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QuArK21343 said:

Homework Statement



Prove that in parabolic coordinates [itex]\alpha,\beta[/itex] the kinetic energy is [itex]T=m/8(\alpha+\beta)(\dot\alpha^2/\alpha+\dot\beta^2/\beta)[/itex]

Homework Equations



Parabolic coordinates are defined as follows: [itex]\alpha=r+x, \beta=r-x[/itex] with [itex]r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know how to proceed in this situation: in simpler case (spherical or cylindrical coordinates) I write down the three components of velocity using geometrical intuition (e.g. [itex]v_\rho=\dot \rho, v_\phi=\rho \dot\phi,v_z=\dot z[/itex], because I see they are right...). What if I get only the definition of the new coordinates?

I think the key here is to get x and y in terms of [itex]\alpha, \beta[/itex]. And you hopefully already know how to express the kinetic energy in x, y coordinates, right?
 
That's right! I check explicitly and it works. Now that I have the kinetic energy, it will be doable to write down the equations of motion. Thank you.
 

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