Kinetic Energy of a Rotating Bar

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The problem involves calculating the kinetic energy of a rotating uniform bar with a specified length and mass, pivoting at one end. The original poster presents an initial calculation that significantly deviates from the expected answer, prompting further discussion on the approach to the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the hint provided, which suggests breaking the bar into infinitesimal segments and integrating their kinetic energies. Questions arise regarding the speed of these segments and their respective kinetic energies. Some participants express concern about the complexity of the calculus involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the hint and clarifying the relationship between the variables involved. Guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the representation of mass elements, leading to a moment of clarity for one participant.

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There is an indication that the problem may require more advanced calculus techniques than typically expected in the context of the homework, which could affect participants' confidence in approaching the solution.

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Homework Statement



A thin and uniform bar has a length of 2.00 m and weighs 12.0 kg. It is rotating from one end on a pivot 5 times every three seconds. What is its kinetic energy?

This is its hint: break the bar up into infinitesimal segments of mass dm and integrate to add up the kinetic energies of all of these segments.

Homework Equations



v = d/t = 20∏m/3s

Ek = 0.5*m*v^2

∫(12kg - 0kg)0.5*v^2dm


The Attempt at a Solution



∫(12kg - 0kg)0.5*v^2dm = (0.5(20∏/3)^3)/3 x 12 = 18374J

But I am way off because the answer is 877J
 
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Have you seen the hint?
What is the speed of an element dm at distance r from the pivot?
What is its kinetic energy?
 
nasu said:
Have you seen the hint?

No, the hint is just in words.

What is the speed of an element dm at distance r from the pivot?

V = (x*10*∏)/3

What is its kinetic energy?

0.5*(((x*10*∏)/3)^2)*dm

This seems like more advanced calculus than we are expected to know because we usually have to integrate functions that have only one variable, and it's usually obvious in the function. Or am I not seeing an easier way.
 
No, you have only one variable, x.
You can write dm in terms of dx. Imagine the small mass element dm as a thin disk of thickness dx. The bar being uniform, of mass m and length L,
dm=(m/L)dx
 
nasu said:
No, you have only one variable, x.
You can write dm in terms of dx. Imagine the small mass element dm as a thin disk of thickness dx. The bar being uniform, of mass m and length L,
dm=(m/L)dx

Oh great, I finally get it, thanks!
 

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