Kinetic theory of gasses Integration problem

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The problem involves the kinetic theory of gases, specifically focusing on the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature for a nonideal gas. The original poster seeks to determine the work done by the gas when its temperature changes while maintaining constant pressure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up the integral for work done based on the provided pressure equation but is uncertain about the limits of integration. Some participants suggest using calculated volumes corresponding to the temperature change as limits. Others question how to handle the temperature terms in the pressure equation during integration.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the integration process and discussing the implications of keeping pressure constant. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the integration limits and the treatment of temperature in the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the change of variables and the relationship between pressure and volume.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes uncertainty about the appropriate limits for integration and how to treat temperature as a variable in the context of the problem. There is also mention of the need to maintain constant pressure while integrating.

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Homework Statement


In the temperature range 310 K and 330 K, the pressure p of a certain nonideal gas is related to volume V and temperature T by
p = (24.9 J/K) T/V - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/V
How much work is done by the gas if its temperature is raised from 314 K to 324 K while the pressure is held constant?


Homework Equations


Pv=NRT
W=integral(p dv)


The Attempt at a Solution



W=integral((24.9 J/K) T/V - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/V dv)
I am not sure what to use for the limits of integration. the problem gives me a range of temperatures, is there any way that I can use those? I am very sure the limits of integration should be in units of m^3.
 
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HINT: Can you use the given equation to calculate the change in volume from the change in temperature?
 
Then I get V1=7165.9J/P and V2=7414.6J/P. can I use those as the limits of Integration?
 
brett812718 said:
Then I get V1=7165.9J/P and V2=7414.6J/P. can I use those as the limits of Integration?
I would say so :smile:
 
what do I do with the T and T^2 parts of the pressure equation?
 
brett812718 said:
what do I do with the T and T^2 parts of the pressure equation?
Notice that when you substitute the limits in, the expressions for pressure cancel.
 
I think i am doing somthing wrong. I integrate the equation p = (24.9 J/K) T/V - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/V right? so what do I do with the T and T^2? Would I treat them as a constant during integration?
 
No, T is not constant. You know that
p = (24.9 J/K) T/V - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/V
with P constant. That is the same as
V = (24.9 J/K) T/P - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/P

dV= [(24.9 J/K)/V - (0.00662 J/K2)(2T)/V]dT

and you can do the entire integral in terms of T.
 
how did you get p to cancel out?
 
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brett812718 said:
how did you get p to cancel out?
'Cancel out' was a poor phrase to use. I should have said 'change of variable', it's been a long day :zzz:
 

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