Kinetics Problem: Non-constant force (calculus)

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The discussion revolves around a kinetics problem involving a rock sliding on a horizontal surface, subject to a retarding force proportional to the square root of its instantaneous velocity. Participants are exploring how to derive expressions for the rock's velocity and position as functions of time, as well as determining the time it takes for the rock to come to rest and the distance it travels before stopping.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss integrating the equation of motion and express concerns about the complexity of solving for time and distance when the rock comes to rest. Some suggest alternative methods to avoid quadratic equations, while others reflect on the neatness of the quadratic solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and corrections. There is acknowledgment of calculation errors and the exploration of different approaches to the problem. Guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the potential for simplifying the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to derive expressions without providing complete solutions. The nature of the retarding force and its implications on the rock's motion are central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A rock with mass m slides with initial velocity v0 on a horizontal surface. A retarding force F that the surface exerts on the rock is proportional to the square root of the instantaneous velocity of the rock (F = -kv1/2) . a) Find expression for the velocity of the rock as a function of time. b) Find expression for the position of the rock as a function of time. c) In terms of m,k, and V0 , at what time will the rock come to rest? d) In terms of m ,k and V0, what is the distance of the rock from its starting point when it comes to rest?

2. Relevant equation
f=ma A= dv/dt

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved parts a and b and I'm fairly certain my answers are correct.

F=−kv^(1/2)

a=dv/dt= (-kv^(1/2))/m

dv/(v^1/2)=(-kdt)/(m)

Integrate both sides and solve for the constant C

V= (k2 t2 )/ (4m2 ) - (ktv01/2)/m + v0

Then I integrated again to find position as a function of time.

The only way I can think to solve parts c and d is to solve V(t)=0 but this would require the quadratic equation and be very messy. Then, to solve part d, I would have to plug in answer to c into x(t) which is even messier. Is there another way? Am I missing something?

Any help would be great. Thank you.
 
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Lola Luck said:
V= (k2 t2 )/ (4m2 ) - (ktv01/2)/m + v0
The only way I can think to solve parts c and d is to solve V(t)=0 but this would require the quadratic equation and be very messy.
Not at all messy, it turns out.
Lola Luck said:
Is there another way?
Slightly. After integrating dv/(v^1/2)=(-kdt)/(m), and determining the constant, substitute v = 0 without converting it to the quadratic form.
 
I made a calculation error and didn't realize until now that solving v(t) with a quadratic actually comes out neatly.
 
Thanks for your help
 
Lola Luck said:
Thanks for your help
My pleasure.
 

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