Kirchhoff's law: Circuit problem with multiple batteries and resistors

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving Kirchhoff's laws, specifically focusing on multiple batteries and resistors. Participants are analyzing current values through various resistors and checking their calculations against Kirchhoff's second law.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to verify their calculations of current through different resistors and are discussing errors in their mathematical expansions. There are questions about the correctness of their assumptions regarding current direction and the application of Kirchhoff's laws.

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Some participants have identified errors in calculations and have provided feedback on how to correct them. There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with some participants sharing their revised current values and seeking further assistance on related questions.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can receive. There is also a focus on verifying results by plugging values back into the original circuit.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
Kirchhoff's 1st and 2nd law
Struggling to see if I am doing this right or not from a section of a question I have been given
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I have drawn out a sketch of the circuit again, and labelled as to what my 1st and 2nd closed loop to be to then apply Kirchhoff's 2nd law

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I get a negative I_2 current which just indicates that my original assumption of the currents direction was wrong and it is in fact going the opposite way

So I believe that the current going through:

6 ohm resistor = 0.703 A
1 ohm resistor = 1.162 A
4 ohm resistor = 0.459 A

Is this right or have I miserably gone wrong somewhere? :oldconfused:

Any help would be really appreciated! Thanks
 
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I followed through your workings and arrived at the same conclusion as you.
I found your error. It is in the step where you expand the parenthesis:
8(I1 + I2) + I1 = 10

Check how you expand the parenthesis and take care of the 8 coefficient.
 
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Hi @Bolter I originally made the same error, and didn't catch your mistake. It was when I took those currents, plugged them back into the original circuit - I realized that the loop voltage drops did not sum to zero, so then started looking for an error.

Lesson: always go back and plug your answers into your original problem, as a check.
 
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scottdave said:
Hi @Bolter I originally made the same error, and didn't catch your mistake. It was when I took those currents, plugged them back into the original circuit - I realized that the loop voltage drops did not sum to zero, so then started looking for an error.

Lesson: always go back and plug your answers into your original problem, as a check.
Hi, can I know what value you got for I? I got ##47\over44##.
 
scottdave said:
I followed through your workings and arrived at the same conclusion as you.
I found your error. It is in the step where you expand the parenthesis:
8(I1 + I2) + I1 = 10

Check how you expand the parenthesis and take care of the 8 coefficient.

Thank you for catching in on my mistake :)

I have redone solving the simultaneous equations again using the corrections and I got these as my currents

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So I can say that the current through:

6 ohm resistor = 47/44 A
1 ohm resistor = 16/11 A
4 ohm resistor = –17/44 A

Is it also possible if you could help me out with part c) of this question?

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I first worked out total charge that passes in 10 seconds, then divided that by the charge of a single electron to get total number of electrons in 10s?

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All those calculations (current in resistors & number of electrons) look correct.
 
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