Kirchhoff's Rules and terminal voltage

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The discussion revolves around applying Kirchhoff's rules to analyze a circuit involving multiple batteries and their internal resistances. The original poster seeks to determine the currents in the circuit and the terminal voltage of a specific battery.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of Kirchhoff's rules, with some attempting to establish loop equations and current relationships. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of internal resistance and its effect on terminal voltage.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights into the setup of loop equations and current conservation. Some guidance has been offered regarding simplifying the equations, but there remains confusion about the calculation of terminal voltage.

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There is mention of the internal resistance of the batteries and its implications for terminal voltage, indicating that assumptions about current direction and resistance values are being questioned.

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Homework Statement


(a) Determine the currents I1, I2, I3 in the figure. Assume the internal resistance of each batter is r = 1.0 olms

(b) What is the terminal voltage of the 6.0 V battery?


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I hope you can read my handwriting.

Homework Equations


V = IR


The Attempt at a Solution


I1 + I2 = I3

I don't understand kirchhoff's rules and how the internal resistance of each batter means.
 
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First the way it's drawn it's I2 + I3 = I1

All it means is that charge has to go somewhere. ∑ I_in = ∑ I_out

Direction matters.

The little r's are the internal resistances of the batteries. When they ask for the terminal V of the 6v battery they want you to include the I3*r change in voltage from 6v that you would measure in real life.

To solve you need to write out the loop equations for the 2 inner loops. Those along with your current conservation give you 3 equations and you have 3 unknown currents. So then you just solve.
 
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Okay, can you tell me if my loops are right?

Top: V1 + V2 = I1r + I1R1 + I2r + I2R2 + I1R3

Bottom: V3 + I2R2 + I2r = I1r + I3r + I3R5 + V2 + I3R4

Big: V1 + V3 = I1r + I1R1 + I3R4 + I3r + I3R5 + I1R4
 
First of all forget the Big loop. The 2 inner loops and the conservation of current is all you need.

The top and bottom look OK just glancing at them.

Now use

I1 = I2 + I3 and you can get it down to 2 equations and 2 unknowns pretty pronto.

Then solve.
 
Okay, so I figure out the currents. I'm still pretty confused with finding terminal voltage.

Are you saying that Terminal Voltage = I3r?
 
Kandycat said:
Okay, so I figure out the currents. I'm still pretty confused with finding terminal voltage.

Are you saying that Terminal Voltage = I3r?

No. Terminal voltage is 6v + I3*r. (This is if that is the right direction for I3.)
 

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