Klein-Gordon equation in the nonrelativistic limit

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of the Klein-Gordon equation in the nonrelativistic limit, particularly how solutions to this equation relate to the Schrödinger equation and the implications for spin-zero particles. Participants explore the mathematical transformations and conceptual implications of these equations within the context of relativistic quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant questions the inference that the Klein-Gordon equation describes spin-zero particles based on the behavior of the wave function ##\psi## in the nonrelativistic limit, suggesting that the relationship between ##\psi## and ##\phi## needs further clarification.
  • Another participant proposes back-substituting ##\phi## into the equation to explore what equation ##\psi## obeys in the nonrelativistic limit and to examine its spin characteristics.
  • A participant derives the Schrödinger equation from the nonrelativistic limit of ##\psi##, noting that it represents a free particle in a constant potential of ##m_0c^2##, and discusses the gauge equivalence of adding a constant potential.
  • There is a mention of classical invariance under the addition of a constant to the Hamiltonian and its implications for the gauge symmetry in the context of nonrelativistic quantization.
  • One participant expresses disappointment that the author, Greiner, did not include certain discussions about gauge equivalence and spin in the text, while acknowledging that these topics may be covered later.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the Klein-Gordon equation and its solutions, particularly regarding the nature of the wave functions and their physical interpretations. No consensus is reached on the interpretation of these relationships.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the relationship between the relativistic and nonrelativistic formulations, particularly concerning the implications for particle spin and the gauge equivalence of potential terms.

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Don't understand reasoning in book.
I am reading Relativistic Quantum Mechanics Wave Equations, 3rd ed. - W. Greiner and I'm on section 1.3 looking at a solution ##\psi## to the Klein-Gordon equation in the nonrelativistic limit.

The solution is split up:
$$\psi=\phi\exp{\left[-\frac{i}{\hbar}m_0c^2t\right]}$$and we then show that in the nonrelativistic limit ##\phi## obeys the Schrödinger equation (or "the free Schrödinger equation for spinless particles"). So far so good. But then Grainer writes "As the type of particle which is described by a wave equation does not depend upon whether the particle is relativistic or nonrelativistic, we infer that the Klein-Gordon equation describes spin-zero particles".

If ##\psi## had obeyed the Schrödinger equation in the nonrelativistic limit, I would understand the inference but not ##\phi##. Can anybody enlighten me?
 
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George Keeling said:
If ##\psi## had obeyed the Schrödinger equation in the nonrelativistic limit, I would understand the inference but not ##\phi##. Can anybody enlighten me?
Try to back-substitute$$\phi=\psi\exp{\left[\frac{i}{\hbar}m_0c^2t\right]}$$in equation 1.32 .
What equation does ##\psi## obey in this non-relativistic limit?
What is its spin?
Express the solutions for this NR ##\psi## in terms of ##~\vec{r},t,\vec{k}~##, and compare with the relativistic Klein-Gordon solutions.

Additional ways to look at it:
- At any given time ##\psi## differs from ##\phi## by a global phase factor.
- In the formalism of NRQM ##\psi## is gauge equivalent to ##\phi##.
- If the relativistic ##\psi## had non-zero spin, it would have possessed more than one (field) degrees of freedom. These would have been carried over to the NR ##\phi## .
 
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Oh yes. I quickly get to
$$i\hbar\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial t}=-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m_0}\nabla^2\psi+m_0c^2\psi$$Which is the Schrödinger equation for a free particle in a (rather large) constant potential of ##m_0c^2##. I guess that will do. And adding a constant potential is the gauge equivalent thing, I think. What a shame Greiner didn't add that in.

Thank you!
 
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George Keeling said:
Oh yes. I quickly get to
$$i\hbar\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial t}=-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m_0}\nabla^2\psi+m_0c^2\psi$$Which is the Schrödinger equation for a free particle in a (rather large) constant potential of ##m_0c^2##.
From relativity, having the rest mass as the limit of the energy when the kinetic contribution goes to zero, is a welcome feature (##~E=\sqrt{m_0^2+p^2}~##).
George Keeling said:
And adding a constant potential is the gauge equivalent thing, I think.
Classically, the equations of motion are invariant under addition of a constant to the Hamiltonian (energy spectrum shift). The more general symmetry is the invariance of the Euler-Lagrange equations under addition of a total derivative ##~\frac{d}{dt}F(q,t)~## to the Lagrangian. This symmetry is the origin of the gauge in the present context. A discussion of its consequences in NR quantization can be found in "Photons and Atoms" by Cohen-Tannoudji et al.
George Keeling said:
What a shame Greiner didn't add that in.
Since Greiner promises to discuss spin thoroughly later on, and does so, I think he can be excused.
:wink:
 
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