Knife edge thickness/surface area

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The discussion centers on calculating the force required to slice an apple using a knife edge, specifically considering a blade thickness of 10.0 micrometers and the skin bursting strength of 1.1 MPa. The calculated force is approximately 1.1 N, although participants note the importance of accounting for shear forces and friction during cutting. Additionally, references to surgical scalpels and obsidian blades highlight the variability in knife edge thickness, with some blades reaching molecular thickness. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of cutting dynamics beyond simple force calculations.

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I'm having a hard time finding some documentation on the thickness of a knife edge. I need to calculate the force to slice an apple. I found the skin bursting strength to be 1.1 MPa. That means that assuming the thickness blade to be 10.0 micro-meters and the max length of contact with the blade and apple is about 10 cm, the force I get is 1.1 N.

Does that sound about right. I would rather not assume, if someone knows of a source of knife edge specification.

Thanks.
 
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I don't know of a reference, but you may want to look at that strength number for skin. That may not take into account the shear forces that are present in a cutting motion. The failure of skin due to a knife would not be failure due to normal stresses. That would be like tearing the skin apart.

I'll look to see if I can find anything for surgical scalpels.
 
We had a thread about the sharpest knife in the world last year, but I can't remember what forum it was in. Obsidian blades can get down to a thickness of one molecule. I seem to recall that the best steel ones were somewhere around 50 times thicker.
 
are you just trying to find an approximate, becasue so far with your assumptions, you're working with a square apple and a straight blade and finding the force required to split the skin. With a round apple your point of contact intially will be very small and then enlarge as you slice through.

to cut a slice you'll probably have to take friction of the knife passing through the apple into account.
 
I am also having trouble finding any documentation on minimum edge thickness except my knife is CPM-S90V with a thickness of .150" and an included angle of 40 degrees. I just want to see how much strain I can put on a block of delrin with my blade without destroying it for 10 cycles or so.
 

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