I Kronecker Delta: Order of Indices Explained

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The discussion centers on the properties of the Kronecker delta, specifically whether the indices can be interchanged, as seen in the equation from Weinberg’s Gravitation and Cosmology. It is clarified that the Kronecker delta, represented as δ, is symmetric, meaning δ_{β}^{ε} is equal to δ^{ε}_{β}, both equating to one when the indices match and zero otherwise. However, the order of indices is crucial in general tensor notation, especially for anti-symmetric tensors, where interchanging indices changes the sign. The Kronecker delta is identified as a (1,1) tensor, and discussions about its symmetry are contextual to specific coordinate systems. Overall, understanding the index notation is essential for proper tensor manipulation in physics.
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Hi everyone,

I am a new member and would like to ask a naive simple (my guess) question.

I am reading Weinberg’s Gravitation and Cosmology. On page 59, Eq. 2.12.10 therein reads
$$
\begin{aligned}
\left[\sigma_{\alpha \beta}\right]_{\gamma \delta}{}^{\varepsilon \zeta}
&=\eta_{\alpha \gamma} \delta_{\beta}{}^{\varepsilon} \delta^{\zeta}{}_{\delta}
-\eta_{\beta \gamma} \delta_{\alpha}{}^{\varepsilon} \delta^{\zeta}{}_{\delta}\\
&+\eta_{\alpha \delta} \delta_{\beta}{}^{\zeta} \delta^{\varepsilon}{}_{\gamma}
-\eta_{\beta \delta} \delta_{\alpha}{}^{\zeta} \delta^{\varepsilon}{}_{\gamma}
\end{aligned}
$$

I wonder if \delta_{\beta}{}^{\varepsilon} is equal to \delta^{\varepsilon}{}_{\beta}. Would anyone enlighten me?

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Jim Lai
 
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Yes, those are equal. Both are equal to one if ##\varepsilon = \beta## and zero otherwise. Generally there is therefore no need to worry about the horizontal positioning of the indices on the ##\delta##.
 
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That's because the Kronecker symbol can be read as the mixed components of the "metric" (it's rather a pseudometric) tensor,
$${\delta_{\alpha}}^{\beta}=g_{\alpha \gamma} g^{\gamma \beta} = g_{\gamma \alpha} g^{\gamma \beta} = {\delta^{\beta}}_{\alpha}.$$
 
vanhees71 said:
That's because the Kronecker symbol can be read as the mixed components of the "metric" (it's rather a pseudometric) tensor,
$${\delta_{\alpha}}^{\beta}=g_{\alpha \gamma} g^{\gamma \beta} = g_{\gamma \alpha} g^{\gamma \beta} = {\delta^{\beta}}_{\alpha}.$$
I thought about writing that, but then I thought ”… of any non-degenerate (0,2) tensor and its inverse really … or wait, it is just the identity map on the tangent space vs the identity map on the cotangent space …” and then I realized I knew too much and left it there 😂
 
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The Kronecker delta is a symmetric tensor, so interchanging the order of the indices doesn't matter. One often sees people omitting the order of indices for symmetric tensors in general, i.e. they're write ##
\sigma^a_b##. Since for symmetric tensors ##\sigma^a{}_b = \sigma^b{}_a##, the order doesn't matter. In general though, the order of indices does matter, and specifying the order of indices is required. For an anti-symmetric tensor ##\sigma^a{}_b## = -##\sigma^b{}_a##, for example.
 
pervect said:
The Kronecker delta is a symmetric tensor, so interchanging the order of the indices doesn't matter. One often sees people omitting the order of indices for symmetric tensors in general, i.e. they're write ##
\sigma^a_b##.
This is incorrect. The Kronecker delta is a (1,1) tensor and if therefore really does not make much sense to discuss symmetries as it only has one index of each type. In a Euclidean space in Cartesian coordinates, it is common to write the metric tensor as ##\delta_{ij}## with both indices down, but this is particular for that coordinate system.

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Since for symmetric tensors ##\sigma^a{}_b = \sigma^b{}_a##, the order doesn't matter. In general though, the order of indices does matter, and specifying the order of indices is required. For an anti-symmetric tensor ##\sigma^a{}_b## = -##\sigma^b{}_a##, for example.
None of those relations are viable as they mix covariant and contravariant indices (or, in abstract index notation, mixes vector and dual vector arguments).
 
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