Lorentz Boosts in Group Representation (from Weinberg)

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The discussion centers on the concept of Lorentz boosts as presented in Weinberg's texts, specifically regarding the mathematical representation and the reasoning behind certain choices in the formulation of these transformations. The scope includes theoretical aspects of special relativity and mathematical reasoning related to group representations.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about why Weinberg's choice of boost representation is considered "convenient," particularly regarding the transformation equations and the use of specific metrics.
  • Another participant suggests providing a page reference from Weinberg's book to clarify the context of the discussion.
  • A participant identifies specific equations from Weinberg's works that relate to the choice of boost representation and mentions a decomposition approach used in a later text.
  • One participant proposes a mathematical formulation for the boost matrix and discusses the decomposition of vectors into parallel and orthogonal components relative to the boost direction, seeking a more rigorous justification for their reasoning.
  • A later reply acknowledges the clarity of the previous explanation and emphasizes the importance of providing references for better communication in future discussions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the convenience of Weinberg's boost representation, with some seeking clarification while others provide insights. No consensus is reached on the necessity or implications of the chosen representation.

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Alright, so excuse my ignorance, but I have no idea why the choice he uses for boosts is "convenient"

Just to make sure everyone is on the same metric etc etc.
Weinberg uses (-,+,+,+)
with gamma defined traditionally
and God-given units

He requires that transformations..(oh my,,,how am I going to LaTeX this...)
[itex]\Lambda^{\alpha}_{\gamma}\Lambda^{\beta}_{\delta} \eta_{\alpha \beta}\equiv \eta_{\gamma \delta}[/itex]

and he considers a particle in O frame at rest, that is at velocity v in fram O'
I understand how he arrives at
[itex]\Lambda^{0}_{0}=\gamma[/itex]
and
[itex]\Lambda^{i}_{0}=\gamma v_{i}[/itex]

(nevermind, that wasn't so bad for LaTeX-ing)

but he then says that it is convenient to use
[itex]\Lambda^{i}_{j} = \delta_{ij}+ v_{i}v_{j}\frac{\gamma - 1}{\textbf{v}^{2}}[/itex]
and
[itex]\Lambda^{0}_{j}=\gamma v_{j}[/itex]

Why is this convenient? I get that we have multiple representations for said boost because of the arbitrary rotations we may perform, but why is this helpful?

Thanks for any help
 
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Fredrik said:
It would be easier if you told us what page this is from. I suggest that you link directly to that page at Google Books.

Eq. 2.1.20 and 2.1.21 in his 1972-book "Gravitation", but it also appears expressed in terms of a massive particle momentum in Eq. 2.5.24 in his first QFT-book (1996). There are more details about the choice in the latter book, where I think he writes it as a decomposition [itex]RBR^{-1}[/itex] and uses this in the subsequent development.
 
Let B be the 3×3 matrix with ##\Lambda^i{}_j## on row i, column j. When ##\Lambda## is a pure boost in the 1 direction, we have
$$B=\begin{pmatrix}\gamma & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 1 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}.$$ Because of this, it seems likely that when ##\Lambda## is a pure boost with arbitrary velocity v, B will be such that for all x,
$$Bx=\gamma x_\parallel+x_\perp,$$ where ##x_\parallel## and ##x_\perp## are the unique vectors such that ##x_\parallel## is parallel to v, ##x_\perp## is orthogonal to v, and ##x=x_\parallel+x_\perp##. We have
\begin{align}
x_\parallel &=\Big\langle\frac{v}{\|v\|},x\Big\rangle \frac{v}{\|v\|} =\frac{v^Tx}{\sqrt{v^Tv}}\frac{v}{\sqrt{v^Tv}} =\frac{vv^T}{v^Tv}x\\
x_\perp &= x-x_\parallel=\Big(I-\frac{vv^T}{vv^T}\Big)x.
\end{align} So
$$Bx =\gamma x_\parallel+x_\perp =\gamma\frac{vv^T}{v^Tv}x +\Big(I-\frac{vv^T}{vv^T}\Big)x=(\gamma-1)\frac{vv^T}{v^Tv}x+x.$$
Since this holds for all x, we have
$$B=I+(\gamma-1)\frac{vv^T}{v^Tv}.$$ If anyone can think of a way to make the "seems likely" part rigorous, let me know.
 
Fredrik said:
Let B be the 3×3 matrix with ##\Lambda^i{}_j## on row i, column j. When ##\Lambda## is a pure boost in the 1 direction, we have
$$B=\begin{pmatrix}\gamma & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 1 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}.$$ Because of this, it seems likely that when ##\Lambda## is a pure boost with arbitrary velocity v, B will be such that for all x,
$$Bx=\gamma x_\parallel+x_\perp,$$ where ##x_\parallel## and ##x_\perp## are the unique vectors such that ##x_\parallel## is parallel to v, ##x_\perp## is orthogonal to v, and ##x=x_\parallel+x_\perp##. We have
\begin{align}
x_\parallel &=\Big\langle\frac{v}{\|v\|},x\Big\rangle \frac{v}{\|v\|} =\frac{v^Tx}{\sqrt{v^Tv}}\frac{v}{\sqrt{v^Tv}} =\frac{vv^T}{v^Tv}x\\
x_\perp &= x-x_\parallel=\Big(I-\frac{vv^T}{vv^T}\Big)x.
\end{align} So
$$Bx =\gamma x_\parallel+x_\perp =\gamma\frac{vv^T}{v^Tv}x +\Big(I-\frac{vv^T}{vv^T}\Big)x=(\gamma-1)\frac{vv^T}{v^Tv}x+x.$$
Since this holds for all x, we have
$$B=I+(\gamma-1)\frac{vv^T}{v^Tv}.$$ If anyone can think of a way to make the "seems likely" part rigorous, let me know.

Thank you!

That was very clear, I feel kind of silly not seeing that at first, haha.

I will be sure to give people page numbers for references to standard texts in the future to help them in helping me (and making this clearer for anyone who might search this later).


Thanks again,
Elwin
 

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