MHB -la.1.1.19 the augmented process

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The discussion revolves around solving problems using the augmented process in linear algebra. Participants analyze an augmented matrix and derive that for the system to have a solution, the variable h must not equal 2, allowing y to be expressed as y = -4/(6-3h). Further exploration leads to a second matrix where h must equal 6 for the system to remain consistent, indicating that x can take any real number. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the conditions under which solutions exist for the variables involved. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the critical role of the augmented process in determining solutions in linear systems.
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ok I am trying to these 4 problems
but don't think I understand the augmented process

these are the answers to 19 and 21

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$\tiny{1.1.19}$
$$A_{19}=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
1& \,h& \,4\\
3& \, 6& \, 8
\end{array}\right]$$$\textit{so if we multiply $R_1$ by subtract from R_3 we have}$\\
$$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
1& \,h& \,4\\
0& \, (6-3h)& \, -4
\end{array}\right]$$uhmmm ?
 
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karush said:
$\tiny{1.1.19}$
$$A_{19}=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
1& \,h& \,4\\
3& \, 6& \, 8
\end{array}\right]$$$\textit{so if we multiply $R_1$ by subtract from R_3 we have}$
$$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
1& \,h& \,4\\
0& \, (6-3h)& \, -4
\end{array}\right]$$uhmmm ?

Good. Can you continue?
What would $y$ become?
 
I like Serena said:
Good. Can you continue?
What would $y$ become?

with (h=y)
\begin{align*}
(6-3h)&=-4 \\
3h&=10\\
h&=\frac{10}{3}
\end{align*}but how does this answer $h \ne 2$ ?
 
karush said:
with (h=y)
\begin{align*}
(6-3h)&=-4 \\
3h&=10\\
h&=\frac{10}{3}
\end{align*}

but how does this answer $h \ne 2$ ?

The second line in the augmented matrix actually stands for:
$$0\cdot x + (6-3h)\cdot y = -4 \quad\Rightarrow\quad (6-3h)y=-4$$
Can we solve $y$ from it?
 
Re: la.1.1.19 the augumented process

I like Serena said:
The second line in the augmented matrix actually stands for:
$$0\cdot x + (6-3h)\cdot y = -4 \quad\Rightarrow\quad (6-3h)y=-4$$
Can we solve $y$ from it?
$\begin{align*}
0\cdot x + (6-3h)\cdot y &= -4\\
(6-3h)\cdot y&=-4\\
y&=-\frac{4}{6-3h}
\end{align*}$
so then h equals all real numbers except 2
whatever the notation is for that?
 
Re: la.1.1.19 the augumented process

karush said:
$\begin{align*}
0\cdot x + (6-3h)\cdot y &= -4\\
(6-3h)\cdot y&=-4\\
y&=-\frac{4}{6-3h}
\end{align*}$
so then h equals all real numbers except 2
whatever the notation is for that?

Good. It means that $y$ has a solution if and only if $h\ne 2$.

Btw, for the system to be linearly consistent, we also need to be able to find a solution for $x$.
Can we?
 
Re: la.1.1.19 the augumented process

I like Serena said:
Good. It means that $y$ has a solution if and only if $h\ne 2$.

Btw, for the system to be linearly consistent, we also need to be able to find a solution for $x$.
Can we?

I can only see that x could be any real number since it would be gone by multiplying by zero

ok here is the last one but only see a single answer?

$A_{22}=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
-4& \,12& \,\textbf{h}\\ 2& -6& -3 \end{array}\right]\\$
$\text{Add $R_2$ to $R_1$}\\$
$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr} -4+2& \,12-6& \, h-3\\ 2& -6& -3\end{array}\right]\\
0+0=h-3\\$
$\text{so $h=3$}$
 
Re: la.1.1.19 the augumented process

karush said:
I can only see that x could be any real number since it would be gone by multiplying by zero

What about the first line of the augmented matrix?
Can't we deduce $x$ from it now that we have an expression for $y$?

karush said:
ok here is the last one but only see a single answer?

$A_{22}=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
-4& \,12& \,\textbf{h}\\ 2& -6& -3 \end{array}\right]\\$
$\text{Add $R_2$ to $R_1$}\\$
$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr} -4+2& \,12-6& \, h-3\\ 2& -6& -3\end{array}\right]\\
0+0=h-3\\$
$\text{so $h=3$}$

How about bringing it into row echelon form as before?
And solve for $y$ again?
 
Re: la.1.1.19 the augumented process

How about bringing it into row echelon form as before? And solve for $y$ again?[/QUOTE said:
$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
-4& \,12& \,\textbf{h}\\ 2& -6& -3 \end{array}\right]\\$
Ok to avoid fraction switch $R_1$ and $R_2$
$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr} 2& -6& -3 \\ -4& \,12& \,\textbf{h} \end{array}\right]\\$
then multiply R_1 by 2 and add it to R_2
$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr} 2& -6& -3 \\ 0& \,0 & \,\textbf{h-6} \end{array}\right]\\$
then
0=h-6
so
h=6
 
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Re: la.1.1.19 the augumented process

karush said:
$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr}
-4& \,12& \,\textbf{h}\\ 2& -6& -3 \end{array}\right]\\$
Ok to avoid fraction switch $R_1$ and $R_2$
$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr} 2& -6& -3 \\ -4& \,12& \,\textbf{h} \end{array}\right]\\$
then multiply R_1 by 2 and add it to R_2
$\left[\begin{array}{rrrrr} 2& -6& -3 \\ 0& \,0 & \,\textbf{h-6} \end{array}\right]\\$
then
0=h-6
so
h=6

Correct.
In this case we don't really get to the point that we can solve for $y$.
We can already see that $h$ must be $6$ because otherwise there can't be a solution.
 
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