Ladder operators in Klein -Gordon canonical quantisation

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The discussion revolves around the ladder operators in the context of the Klein-Gordon canonical quantization. Participants explore the implications of substituting momentum variables in the expressions for the quantum field and its momentum density, focusing on the relationships between annihilation and creation operators.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expressions for the quantum Klein-Gordon field and its momentum density in Fourier space and discusses the implications of substituting ##{\bf{p}} \rightarrow {\bf{-p}}##.
  • Another participant points out a missing minus sign in the second term of the momentum density expression and relates it to the Heisenberg picture.
  • A subsequent post acknowledges the mistake regarding the minus sign and updates the previous claim.
  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the relationships between the annihilation and creation operators, suggesting that they should be independent.
  • Another participant elaborates on the substitution process and the resulting relationships between the operators, but begins to question their own reasoning regarding the independence of the operators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationships between the ladder operators, with some asserting that the operators should be independent while others suggest that the substitution leads to specific relations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the consistency of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of the ladder operators and the implications of the substitution in the context of the quantum field theory. The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationships and the potential for misinterpretation.

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The quantum Klein-Gordon field ##\phi({\bf{x}})## and its momentum density ##\pi({\bf{x}})## are given in Fourier space by

##\phi({\bf{x}}) = \int \frac{d^{3}p}{(2\pi)^{3}} \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \omega_{{\bf{p}}}}} \big( a_{{\bf{p}}} e^{i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}} + a^{\dagger}_{{\bf{p}}} e^{-i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}} \big)## and

##\pi({\bf{x}}) = \int \frac{d^{3}p}{(2\pi)^{3}} (-i) \sqrt{\frac{ \omega_{{\bf{p}}}}{2}} \big( a_{{\bf{p}}} e^{i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}} - a^{\dagger}_{{\bf{p}}} e^{-i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}} \big)##.

[These are equations (2.25) and (2.26) from the Peskin and Schroeder.]

Now, I used the substitution ##{\bf{p}} \rightarrow {\bf{-p}}## in the expression for ##\phi({\bf{x}})## and obtained

##a_{{\bf{p}}} = a^{\dagger}_{-{\bf{p}}}## and ##a_{-{\bf{p}}} = a^{\dagger}_{{\bf{p}}}##.

On the other hand, I used the same substitution ##{\bf{p}} \rightarrow {\bf{-p}}## in the expression for ##\phi({\bf{x}})## and obtained

##a_{{\bf{p}}} = - a^{\dagger}_{-{\bf{p}}}## and ##a_{-{\bf{p}}} = - a^{\dagger}_{{\bf{p}}}##.

Can someone explain what's going on?
 
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There is a - missing in the second term of ##\Pi(\vec{p})##. That's seen in the Heisenberg picture and the relation ##\Pi=\dot{\phi}##.
 
Sorry, that's my own mistake. Peskin and Schroeder has the minus sign. I've made the edit now.
 
Actually, with the minus sign in the second term of ##\pi({\bf{x}})##, I get the inconsistency in the ladder operators.

Does your second sentence solve the inconsistency or justify the minus sign in the second term?
 
I don't understand, how you get these equations in the first place. The ##\hat{a}_{\vec{p}}## are an independent set of annihilation operators. There shouldn't be a relation between ##\hat{a}_{\vec{p}}## and ##\hat{a}_{-\vec{p}}^{\dagger}##.
 
Well, under the substitution ##{\bf{p}} \rightarrow {\bf{-p}}##,

##\phi({\bf{x}}) = \int \frac{d^{3}p}{(2\pi)^{3}} \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \omega_{{\bf{p}}}}} \big( a_{{\bf{p}}} e^{i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}} + a^{\dagger}_{{\bf{p}}} e^{-i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}} \big)##

becomes

##\phi({\bf{x}}) = \int \frac{d^{3}p}{(2\pi)^{3}} \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \omega_{{-\bf{p}}}}} \big( a_{-{\bf{p}}} e^{-i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}} + a^{\dagger}_{-{\bf{p}}} e^{i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}} \big)##,

and then I compared the coefficients of the exponential ##e^{-i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}}## on both sides to obtain ##a^{\dagger}_{{\bf{p}}} = a_{-{\bf{p}}}## and the coefficients of the exponential ##e^{i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}}## on both sides to obtain ##a_{{\bf{p}}} = a^{\dagger}_{-{\bf{p}}}##.

But now that you mention it, I'm beginning to think my argument is wrong. The creation and annihilation operators are, in fact, independent of each other, i.e. for instance, ##a_{{\bf{p}}} e^{i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}}## is the same as ##a_{-{\bf{p}}} e^{-i{\bf{p}} \cdot {\bf{x}}}## because the integration is over the entire range of momenta from ##-\infty## to ##\infty##.

Am I correct?
 

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