Lagrangian (chain off spring connected masses)

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Lagrangian for a one-dimensional chain of N masses, each connected by springs with a spring constant k. The kinetic energy (K) is expressed as K = (1/2)m(dq_i/dt)^2, while the potential energy (V) is proposed as V = (1/2)kq_i^2. The participant contemplates the impact of the initial tension in the springs on the potential energy and considers the necessity of defining separate coordinates for each mass to accurately compute the total energy. The conclusion emphasizes the need to apply the Lagrangian formulation L = K - V to this system.

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Homework Statement


______|equillibrium position________
______|__i_____________________
m^^^^^m^^^^^m^^^^^m^^^^^m
____k_|qi|____k______ k________kA collection of particles each of mass m separated by springs with spring constant k. The displacement of the ith mass from its equilibrium position is q_i=q_i(t). Write the Langrangian for this one dimensional chain of masses.

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[tex]K=\frac{1}{2}mv^2[/tex]
[tex]V=\frac{1}{2}kx^2[/tex]
[tex]L=K-V[/tex]

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So we have [tex]K=\frac{1}{2}mv^2=\frac{1}{2}m(\frac{dx}{dt})^2[/tex]
Can I now say
[tex]K=\frac{1}{2}m\frac{dq_i}{dt}^2[/tex]
?
(I think I have to because I then have to differentiate wrt q_i
Also, the extension of the springs to begin with must matter because if they are taught then the potential energy must be higher. Am I right? Does it matter that there is a spring on either side? I guess it does, but as the mass is just moving between its equilibrium point maybe they kind of cancel out. There are N particles, so am I right in thinking that the energy required is the sum of all functions of [tex]q_i[/tex] for every [tex]i\leq N[/tex]?

I haven't been given very long for this, and I've never come across this stuff before, so I'm having issues figuring it out. Thanks for the help.

EDIT: Yeah, so I'm thinking [tex]V=\frac{1}{2}kq_i ^2[/tex] or [tex]V=kq_i ^2[/tex] but then I'm still not sure if the original taughtness of the spring comes into it.
 
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I think I would make a different coordinate for each mass. So mass 1-x1, mass 2-x2 and so on{at equilibrium position}. Get the potentials for each mass in terms of those different coordinates. Get kinetic energy for each mass, then do L=K-V. I think the typical convention though is L=T-U.
 
Okay, thank you I will try that. I'm just using the notation that was given in the handouts. Not sure if there is any significance.
 

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