Lagrangian for a rod pivoting at the end of a clock hand

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equations of motion for a rod pivoting at the end of a clock hand, specifically focusing on the harmonic oscillation of the angle ##\phi## and its relationship with a function ##a(t)##. Participants are exploring the implications of the small angle approximation and the linearization of the equations of motion.

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  • Participants discuss the oscillatory nature of ##a(t)## and the corresponding equations of motion. There are attempts to linearize the equations around a specific angle ##\phi^*##, with questions about the correctness of substitutions and assumptions made in the process. Some participants express confusion about the linearization technique and seek clarification on its application.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts at linearization and the formulation of the equations of motion. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the mathematical steps involved, particularly in relation to the assumptions made about small angles and the correct representation of terms in the equations.

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Participants note the importance of correctly identifying terms in the equations of motion and the need for a clear understanding of linearization, which has not been formally taught to all participants. There is also a mention of a potential error in variable notation that may affect the discussion.

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##ml^2\ddot \phi + mRl\varphi \dot \phi\sin(\phi - \varphi t) = 0##
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I am confused how ##a(t)## oscillates harmonically. The EOM is ##ml^2\ddot \phi + mRl\varphi \dot \phi\sin(\phi - \varphi t) = 0##

Then using ##\phi - \varphi t = a(t)##
##l\ddot \phi + R\phi \varphi a(t) = 0##
Where I used the small angle approximation after substituting in ##a(t)##
Does anybody please know where to go from here to find ##\omega##?

Thanks!
 
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Simply linearise the equation of motion around ##\phi^*##. You have attempted this but need to double check your math.

Also note: It is ##\gamma##, not ##\varphi##.
 
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Orodruin said:
Simply linearise the equation of motion around ##\phi^*##. You have attempted this but need to double check your math.

Also note: It is ##\gamma##, not ##\varphi##.
Thank you for your reply @Orodruin!

##l^2\ddot \phi + Rl\phi \gamma a(t) = 0## is that please correct now?

Sorry I don't understand how you linearize the equation of motion around ##\phi^*##. I have not been taught that. Could you please explain a bit more?

Thanks!
 
ChiralSuperfields said:
Thank you for your reply @Orodruin!

##l^2\ddot \phi + Rl\phi \gamma a(t) = 0## is that please correct now?

No. Carefully consider the second term. Where did the ##\phi## come from?

ChiralSuperfields said:
Sorry I don't understand how you linearize the equation of motion around ##\phi^*##. I have not been taught that. Could you please explain a bit more?
It is essentially what you are (attempting) to do. You write ##\phi = \phi^* + a(t)## and then assume that ##a(t)## is small. Perform a Taylor expansion in ##a(t)## and keep only linear terms.
 
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Also, for the first term, you have not inserted the assumption ##\phi = \phi^* + a## ...
 
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I have solved the problem now.

EOM: ##l^2 \ddot a + Rl \gamma \dot \phi a = 0##

Angular frequency ##\omega = \sqrt{\frac{R \gamma \dot \phi}{l}}##

Thanks!
 

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