Laplace transform of Diff. Eq containing sine Function

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The discussion revolves around finding the Laplace transform of the pendulum equation, which includes a sine function. The equation is presented as a second-order differential equation involving both linear and nonlinear components.

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  • Participants explore the application of the Laplace transform to the pendulum equation, questioning the treatment of the sine term and the implications of nonlinear dynamics. There are attempts to clarify the correct form of the transform and its components, including the treatment of initial conditions and the role of the variable s.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various interpretations and corrections regarding the Laplace transform process. Some express uncertainty about the treatment of nonlinear terms, while others emphasize the importance of including all relevant terms in the transform.

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There is a noted concern regarding the handling of nonlinear differential equations in the context of Laplace transforms, as well as the implications of dropping certain terms during the transformation process.

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Homework Statement


Find the Laplace transform of the pendulum equation.

Homework Equations


The pendulum equation:
[tex] \frac{d^{2}\theta}{dt^{2}} + \alpha \frac{d \theta}{dt} + g \sin(\theta) = 0 [/tex]

[tex] s = \sigma + i \omega[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Taking the laplace transform I get

[tex] s^{2} + \alpha s + g \frac{\omega}{s^{2}+\omega^{2}} = 0[/tex]

I usually drop the [tex]\sigma[/tex] term in [tex]s = \sigma + i \omega[/tex], which leaves

[tex] s^{2} + \alpha s + g \frac{\omega}{-\omega^{2}+\omega^{2}} = 0[/tex]

The [tex]\frac{\omega}{-\omega^{2}+\omega^{2}}[/tex] is problematic, but I'm not sure what to do. I don't see the usefulness of the [tex]\sigma[/tex] variable, and I'm not sure that I'm doing this correctly to begin with
 
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You're not doing the transform correctly. For laplace you're just taking the real part of z in [tex]exp^{-zt}, z = \sigma + i \omega[/tex].
 
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I'm not sure what you're saying but I had a thought. I think the Laplace of the sine function is
[tex] \mathcal{L} \left\{\sin(t)\right\} = \frac{1}{s^{2}+1}[/tex]

which would make the transform

[tex] s^{2} + \alpha s + g \frac{1}{s^{2}+1} = 0[/tex]

This is more sensible, but I still need to verify it some how.
 
What do you get if you take the Laplace transform of just a second deriavative?
 
I think it is something like

[tex]\mathcal{L} \left\{y(t)\right\} = s^{2} Y(s)[/tex]

presuming that
[tex]\dot y(0) = 0[/tex]
and
[tex]\ddot y(0) = 0[/tex]

I think the sine term would make this a nonlinear differential equation, and I'm now I'm thinking that maybe the Laplace transform doesn't work on nonlinear differential equations.
 
Sure it does!

Why do you keep dropping the Y(s) terms? That's what you need to take the inverse laplace transform of! Solve for Y(s) and take the inverse transform.
 
I'm trying to get a transfer function of:

[tex] \frac{d^{2}\theta}{dt^{2}} + \alpha \frac{d \theta}{dt} + g \sin( \theta ) = f(t) [/tex]

With the Y(s) terms I get:

[tex] s^{2} Y(s) + \alpha s Y(s) + g \frac{1}{s^{2}+1}} = F(s)[/tex]

For the transfer function, I want to Y(s) and F(s) on the same side like this:

[tex] \frac{Y(s)}{F(s)}[/tex]

but I don't see and way to factor things out that way.
 
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