Laplace transform vs phasor analysis in circuit analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between Laplace transform and phasor analysis in the context of circuit analysis. Participants explore how both methods can be applied to analyze circuits, particularly focusing on their use in transient and steady-state conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Laplace transform includes a variable ##s = \sigma + j \omega##, while phasor analysis simplifies this to ##j\omega## by setting ##\sigma = 0##.
  • It is suggested that Laplace transform is more powerful as it can incorporate transient solutions and initial conditions, while phasor analysis is limited to sinusoidal steady-state analysis.
  • One participant confirms that when ##s = j\omega##, the Laplace transform yields steady-state sinusoidal solutions, but also includes exponential growth or decay terms otherwise.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about whether Laplace transform can be used for sinusoidal steady-state analysis, seeking confirmation on this point.
  • It is mentioned that the relationship between the two methods may depend on the convergence of the Laplace transform.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is a relationship between Laplace transform and phasor analysis, but multiple competing views remain regarding the extent and implications of this relationship, particularly in terms of their applications in circuit analysis.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the convergence of the Laplace transform and its implications for the relationship with phasor analysis that remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I recently acquainted myself with Laplace transform, and it appears that it has some relations with phasor analysis. This observation stems from the fact that while in Laplace transform, we have ##s = \sigma + j \omega## as the variable, in phasor analysis, we just use ##j\omega,## apparently just setting ##\sigma = 0.## Is there any other way the two methods are related?

I have seen phasor analysis being used only for sinusoidal steady state analysis, while Laplace transform gives the transient solution since the initial conditions are built into it, and we solve the circuit with that. Laplace transform also allows us to incorporate impulse-type voltages and currents in the circuit, wherefrom it seems to me that Laplace transform is a more powerful tool. Can Laplace transform be used to do sinusoidal steady state analysis as well? I don't see why not, but need a confirmation.
 
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Yes, absolutely related. When s=jω, you get the steady state sinusoidal solutions, otherwise there is an exponential growth (or decay) element in the solutions. So the Laplace transform is the more general case that can be used to obtain transient and/or steady state solutions.

 
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DaveE said:
Yes, absolutely related. When s=jω, you get the steady state sinusoidal solutions, otherwise there is an exponential growth (or decay) element in the solutions. So the Laplace transform is the more general case that can be used to obtain transient and/or steady state solutions.
I will have to go through that video once again to get my brain straight, but I understood this much that if I use Laplace transform and get a decay term, then in the ##\lim_{t \rightarrow \infty}## that decay term basically ##\rightarrow 0,## so I am left with the steady state solution only. Thanks.
 
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Wrichik Basu said:
I recently acquainted myself with Laplace transform, and it appears that it has some relations with phasor analysis. This observation stems from the fact that while in Laplace transform, we have ##s = \sigma + j \omega## as the variable, in phasor analysis, we just use ##j\omega,## apparently just setting ##\sigma = 0.## Is there any other way the two methods are related?

I have seen phasor analysis being used only for sinusoidal steady state analysis, while Laplace transform gives the transient solution since the initial conditions are built into it, and we solve the circuit with that. Laplace transform also allows us to incorporate impulse-type voltages and currents in the circuit, wherefrom it seems to me that Laplace transform is a more powerful tool. Can Laplace transform be used to do sinusoidal steady state analysis as well? I don't see why not, but need a confirmation.
The two methods are related, but it depends on where the Laplace transform converges. I posted about this in a different thread awhile ago.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...-of-the-laplace-transform.971324/post-6174503

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