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The discussion centers around the question of which quadrilateral has the largest area that can be inscribed in a circle. Participants explore various methods of proving that a square is the largest quadrilateral, including geometric arguments, calculus, and integration techniques.

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  • Some participants propose that a square is the largest quadrilateral that can fit inside a circle, suggesting geometric proofs and calculus methods to demonstrate this.
  • One participant argues that the maximum-area quadrilateral must have its diagonals as diameters of the circle, leading to the conclusion that it must be a square.
  • Another participant presents an integration approach using Green's theorem to calculate the area of a quadrilateral inscribed in a circle, concluding that the area is maximized when the angles between adjacent vertices are 90 degrees, again suggesting a square.
  • One participant suggests using differential calculus to find the maximum area of a quadrilateral, although they later acknowledge that their method only applies to rectangular quadrilaterals.
  • References to external formulas related to the area of cyclic quadrilaterals are provided, though their relevance to the current discussion is not elaborated upon.

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Participants express differing views on the methods to prove the largest quadrilateral, with no consensus on a single approach or resolution of the question. Multiple competing views remain regarding the proofs and methods discussed.

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Some methods discussed rely on specific assumptions about the quadrilateral's shape and its relationship to the circle, which may limit their applicability. Additionally, there are unresolved mathematical steps in some of the proposed methods.

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i believe that a square is the largest quadrilateral that can be fit inside a circle, but how would you prove it?
 
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Calculus. The area of a rectangle is A=hL. Moreover, if the rectangle is inscribed in the circle, its sides are related to the radius of the circle by r²=h²+L². write A as a function of L only. Find the length L for which A has a maximum (dA/dL=0).
 
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I don't think that works.

There is a geometric argument:
Let such a quadrilateral be ABCD. First consider side AC. If the quadrilateral is maximum-area, B and D must be placed so that the two triangles ABC and ADC are each maximum-area. This occurs when the height of these triangles is maximum--which is when BD is a diameter of the circle and perpendicular to AC. Similarly AC must be a diameter of the circle and perpendicular to BD, so ABCD is a square.
 
Here's another way. First, what is the area of the polygon with vertices at (x1, y1), (x2, y2), ...(xn, yn)? That's not as hard as it sounds. Just use green's theorem. You need to integrate y dx (or x dy) around the edges of the polygon, returning to your starting point (keeping the interior on your left side to have a positive orientation, or just taking the absolute value at the end). The integral from (xk, yk) to (xk+1, yk+1) is just:

[tex]\int_{x_k}^{x_{k+1}} \left( \frac{y_{k+1}-y_k}{x_{k+1}-x_k} (x-x_k) + y_k \right) dx= \frac{1}{2} (y_{k+1}+y_k)(x_{k+1}-x_k)[/tex]

So the total area is:

[tex]A=\frac{1}{2} \sum_{k=1}^{n} (y_{k+1}+y_k)(x_{k+1}-x_k)[/tex]

where we look at k (mod n), and after expanding and cancelling this simplifies to:

[tex]A=\frac{1}{2} \sum_{k=1}^{n} (x_k y_{k+1} - x_{k+1} y_k )[/tex]

Now if we look at four points on the unit circle, labelled by their angle in polar coordinates, [itex]\theta_k[/tex], the area of the corresponding inscribed quadrilateral is:<br /> <br /> [tex]A=\frac{1}{2} \sum_{k=1}^{4} \cos(\theta_k) \sin(\theta_{k+1}) - \cos(\theta_{k+1}) \sin(\theta_k) =\frac{1}{2} \sum_{k=1}^{4} \sin(\theta_{k+1}-\theta_k)[/tex]<br /> <br /> We clearly can't do any better than if the angles between adjacent vertices is pi/2 (90 degrees), so a square maximizes the area.[/itex]
 
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Why not simply use differential? I think its simpler. For an quadrilateral that touches the edges of the circle (if it doesn't it is fairly simple to prove there exist another quadrilateral with a bigger area, so this case is not consider) we consider the point a on the interval x = 0 to x = r (then again it is fairly easy to prove that for any quadrilateral which edges are not in all the "quarters" of the circle, there exist a quadrilateral with bigger area). Now by symetry we have, L = 2a and W = 2(r^2-a^2)^1/2. Thus the area is A(x) = 4x(r^2-x^2)^1/2. Now simply use the derivative to find a zero on the interval (0,r), and prove that for the solution found a = (r^2-a^2)^1/2 and the task is done.

PS. Sorry this method cannot be use since it only takes account of rectangular quadirlaterals. My bad.
 
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check these out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretschneider's_formula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta's_formula
 
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