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The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to the law of multiple proportions, specifically focusing on identifying which of four nitrogen oxides could not exist based on their given mass compositions of nitrogen and oxygen. The scope includes conceptual understanding of chemical laws and quantitative chemistry.

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  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to solve the problem without knowing the total mass of the substances involved.
  • Another participant points out that the total mass is provided in the problem statement.
  • A question is raised regarding how to calculate the mass of the product when combining two substances, emphasizing complete reaction.
  • Some participants suggest converting grams to moles to analyze the ratios of nitrogen to oxygen, questioning the feasibility of certain ratios based on the law of multiple proportions.
  • There is a mention that the problem may be too elementary for some participants, suggesting a gap in foundational knowledge in quantitative chemistry.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the law of multiple proportions itself as a key to solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with some agreeing on the need to apply the law of multiple proportions while others remain uncertain about how to proceed. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the question may lack necessary information for a complete solution, and there is a suggestion that the problem is positioned before the introduction of the mole concept in chemistry curricula.

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Homework Statement


5 There are four common oxides that contain only N and O. The composition of three of the

compounds is shown below. According to the law of Multiple proportions, which of the

four (a, b, c, d) could not be one of the four oxides of nitrogen? a. 1.000 g(N) combined with 2.8571 g(O)
b. 1.000 g(N) combined with 1.1429 g(O)
c. 1.000 g(N) combined with 1.7143 g(O)
d. 1.000 g(N) combined with 1.5000 g(O)

Homework Equations


x=(amount of whole substance-amount given)/amount given

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm struggling badly here, any tips would be much appreciated. I don't understand how I can get the answer without knowing the grams of the whole substance (N and O together).
 
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AshleyGambrell said:
without knowing the grams of the whole substance (N and O together).
It's given to you in the statement.
AshleyGambrell said:
a. 1.000 g(N) combined with 2.8571 g(O)
b. 1.000 g(N) combined with 1.1429 g(O)
c. 1.000 g(N) combined with 1.7143 g(O)
d. 1.000 g(N) combined with 1.5000 g(O)
 
What is the mass of the product if you combine 1.0 g of something with 1.5 g of something else (and you are guaranteed they reacted completely)?
 
Not that you need to know it - nor will it help you. The question tells you what law to use.
 
Couldn't you convert those grams to moles, divide the moles of oxygen by the moles of nitrogen, and see which ratio isn't possible in a molecule for the given elements?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Couldn't you convert those grams to moles, divide the moles of oxygen by the moles of nitrogen, and see which ratio isn't possible in a molecule for the given elements?

Nothing of that, the necessary information isn't given and the question loses point if it is. This question is prior to the mole concept, and you could say is an important part of its justification.
 
I'm curious to see how this problem will be solved then, because I can't make anything from the numbers given. For the record, though:

amount of whole substance = amount given + amount of other substance
x = (amount of whole substance - amount given)/amount given
x = (amount given + amount of other substance - amount given)/amount given
x = amount of other substance/amount given

Because the bolded cancel each other out. Tell me if I'm giving too much of the answer away, mods.
 
Well I see people are stuck so it is a good exercise. (A good academic exercise - academic because it is with made-up figures, like a lot we got recently probably from same source, but at least ideally these make sense which others didn't even.) People are stuck because it is too elementary for them, comes from lesson 1 or at most 2 in quantitative chemistry. And possibly lessons 1 and 2 were dropped from many curriculae.
You only have to know what the quoted law actually is and I don't know what's stopping the OP or anyone else but Hushh!
 
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Homework Equations


x=(amount of whole substance-amount given)/amount give[/B]
 
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First of all - what does the law of multiple proportions say? Quote it.
 
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The zloty has dropped! :oldbiggrin:
 

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