Law of Transformers: A.C Source & Induced EMFs

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The discussion centers on the application of the law of transformers, specifically regarding the induced EMFs in the primary and secondary coils when connected to an alternating current (A.C) source. Participants explore the nature of voltage in the primary coil, the concept of back EMF, and the implications for understanding transformer operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the law of the transformer applies to the primary coil since the voltage is produced by an external A.C source rather than being induced.
  • Another participant argues that the voltage across the primary coil consists of both the induced voltage and the voltage required to drive the current, clarifying that the induced voltage behaves similarly in both coils.
  • A later reply highlights the distinction between voltage drop in resistors and back EMF in inductors, explaining that back EMF opposes current flow without reversing it.
  • Participants discuss the interactions at the subatomic level in resistors and the opposing effects of magnetic fields in inductors and transformers.
  • One participant expresses newfound clarity regarding the concept of voltage drop and its relation to current flow.

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Participants express differing views on the application of the law of transformers to the primary coil, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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Some assumptions about the nature of induced EMFs and the role of external sources in the primary coil are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these factors.

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the law of the transformer states that
in primary coil , the EMF = -n multiplied by the rate of change of flux with respect to time
but that law applies to induced EMFs , and since the voltage in the primary coil is not actually induced but rather produced by an external source of A.C , then how can we apply the rule to such a thing ? in the secondary the voltage is purely induced so the law does apply , but in the primary coil the potential difference is not induced .
 
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It's the same thing as in the other thread. The voltage across the primary is going to be the sum of the induced voltage and the voltage needed to drive the given current through the wire. The induced voltage works exactly the same way in both coils, but in primary it's the back EMF, while in secondary, it's EMF for whatever that coil is driving.

If it makes it simpler for you, you can always think of a real coil as a perfect, zero resistance inductor and a resistor in series. Resistor is just ohmic, giving voltage drop equal to IR, while the inductor portion gives just the induced voltage proportional to the rate of change of magnetic flux.
 
oh , so the inductor voltage just acts as a voltage drop , i never knew that a voltage drop was opposing the current :D thanks a lot , made lots of things clear
 
there is voltage drop on resistor for example and it doesn't produce a opposite current flow.It just opposes current , but that is a different thing, in a resistor the current flow produces interactions at the subatomic level which manifest themselves as heat , in the case of a back EMF a field works against the charged particle flow ,current.voltage drop isn't responsible for current reversal , in an inductor or transformer and also in electric motors , there is a phenomenon called back EMF , in other words when you add a potential difference to a coil , it causes current to flow , that current has a magnetic field around it which when changing in both magnitude and direction creates a changing electric field which opposes the original current flow magnetic field that created it.

actually member K2 answers this in your other post quite nicely.
 
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