Lawrence University vs UW-Madison (Undergraduate physics)

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The discussion revolves around the choice between UW-Madison and Lawrence University for undergraduate physics education, specifically regarding which institution may better prepare a student for graduate school in physics. Participants explore the differences in educational environments, opportunities, and personal fit between a large state university and a small liberal arts college.

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  • Some participants suggest that personal happiness and growth are crucial for success in graduate school, indicating that either institution can provide sufficient training in physics.
  • One participant emphasizes the differences in educational environments, noting that UW-Madison offers a larger variety of courses and research opportunities, while Lawrence University provides smaller class sizes and closer faculty interactions.
  • Anecdotal evidence is shared regarding the experiences of graduates from similar small colleges, highlighting varied career paths and the importance of personal fit in choosing a school.
  • Another participant expresses a preference for liberal arts colleges, indicating a shift in their decision-making process towards Lawrence University after being deferred by Reed College.

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Participants generally agree that both institutions can adequately prepare students for graduate school, but they present differing views on the importance of the educational environment and personal fit, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding which choice is superior.

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Participants mention the varying experiences and outcomes of graduates from different types of institutions, but do not resolve the implications of these experiences on future success in graduate studies.

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Hi, it is hard for me to make a choice between UW-Madison and Lawrence University. Which college can better prepare me for the physics graduate school? Can anybody give me some advice? Thanks in advance.
 
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Your best preparation will be at the place where you thrive, are happy, and grow as a human being and a scholar. Either institution will offer you good and sufficient undergraduate training in physics. Certainly Madison has more name recognition in engineering and physics, but you must decide what best matches your predilections and plays to your strengths. The good news is that if you work hard and remain interested you will be happy with either choice. Good luck.and make the most of it.
 
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I suspect you might not be in the US (China perhaps?). If that is true, have you visited both schools? They are very different types of schools: large state university versus small liberal-arts college/university. I don't think China (or indeed most other countries) has schools of the second type, so they might be a new thing for you. They're a very different environment than a large university like UW-Madison.

I did my undergraduate at a school similar to Lawrence but even smaller. Classes were small, and we had easy access to professors outside of class. We had a lot of freedom to pursue our own projects, subject of course to the limitations of the available facilities. All the upperclass physics majors had keys so we could get into the building and labs whenever we wanted. We socialized a lot with each other, usually in a study room in the department. The professors knew us well and could write letters of recommendation based on extensive experience with each of us.

On the other hand, we didn't have the large variety of courses, or the wide range of on-campus research, that a large university like UW-Madison offers.

My graduating class had five physics majors. All of us went to graduate school: three in physics (U of Michigan (me), Ohio State U, and Tufts U), one in engineering, and one in applied math (operations research). In the end, only one (me) became a physics professor, at a similar small school. One switched from physics to engineering and ended up at a large company. One became a technical writer. One became an engineering professor at a large university, doing research in robotics. I don't know what happened to the "math" person.

As hutchphd said, you can probably prepare well for graduate school at either place, but the living and learning experiences are very different. It comes down to which one is a better "fit" for you.
 
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Thank for your answers. I was a fan of the liberal art colleges, and chose Reed College as my early decision. After deferred by Reed, I started to think about other options. I am inclined to choose Lawrence University now.
 

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