Lebesgue Outer Measure .... Carothers, Proposition 16.2 (i) ....

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The discussion centers around the proof of Proposition 16.2 (i) from N. L. Carothers' book "Real Analysis," specifically regarding Lebesgue outer measure. Participants are seeking to construct a formal and rigorous proof while exploring the implications of the proposition.

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  • Peter expresses difficulty in constructing a formal proof for Proposition 16.2 (i) and requests assistance.
  • Some participants suggest that Peter should attempt to prove the proposition himself.
  • Hints are provided regarding the property that if ##\emptyset \neq A \subseteq [0,\infty]##, then ##\inf(A) \geq 0##.
  • Peter outlines a proof for the statement that if ##\emptyset \neq A \subseteq [0,\infty]##, then ##\inf(A) \geq 0##, and discusses its implications for ##m^*(E)##.
  • Peter questions whether establishing that ##m^*(E) \geq 0## is sufficient to conclude that ##m^*(E)## ranges from ##0## to ##\infty##.
  • A lemma is presented stating that for any non-empty set ##A \subseteq [0, \infty]##, ##\inf A \in [0, \infty]##, with a proof provided.
  • Participants discuss applying the lemma to derive bounds for ##m^*(E)##.

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Participants are engaged in a collaborative exploration of the proof, with some agreement on the properties of infimum and outer measure, but no consensus on the completeness of the proof or the implications of the established results.

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There are unresolved questions about the completeness of the proof regarding the range of ##m^*(E)## and the implications of the established inequalities.

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I need help in order to construct and express a valid, convincing, formal and rigorous proof to Carothers Proposition 16.2 (i) ...
I am reading N. L. Carothers' book: "Real Analysis". ... ...

I am focused on Chapter 16: Lebesgue Measure ... ...

I need help with the proof of Proposition 16.2 part (i) ...

Proposition 16.2 and its proof read as follows:
Carothers - Proposition 16.2 ... .png

Carothers does not prove Proposition 16.2 (i) above ...

Although it seems intuitively obvious, I am unable to construct and express a valid, convincing, formal and rigorous proof of the result ...

Can someone please demonstrate a formal and rigorous proof of Proposition 16.2 (i) above ...

Peter
========================================================================================================It may help readers of the above post to have access to Carothers introduction to Lebesgue outer measure ... so I am providing the same as follows:
Carothers - Proposition 16.1 ... .png


Hope that helps ...

Peter
 
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Math Amateur said:
I am unable to construct and express a valid, convincing, formal and rigorous proof of the result
But you should at least make an attempt.
 
Hint: If ##\emptyset \neq A \subseteq [0,\infty]##, then ##\inf(A)\geq 0##.

I leave the easy proof of this fact to you.
 
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Math_QED said:
Hint: If ##\emptyset \neq A \subseteq [0,\infty]##, then ##\inf(A)\geq 0##.

I leave the easy proof of this fact to you.
Thanks for the hint Math_QED ...

We need to prove the following ...

If ##\emptyset \neq A\subseteq [0,\infty]##, then ##\inf(A)\geq 0##

Proof

Assume ##\text{inf} (A) \lt 0##

Then there exists ##x \in A## such that ##\text{inf} (A) \lt x \lt 0## ...

... contradiction as there are no negative numbers in ##A## ...

Therefore ##\inf(A)\geq 0## ...Could also prove this in the same way for ##m^*(E)## ...

This would establish that ##m^*(E) \geq 0## ...

But that would not necessarily mean that ##m^*(E)## ranges from ##0## to ##\infty## ...

So ... how do we proceed from here ...?

PeterEDIT

To prove that ##m^*(E)## ranges from ##0## to ##\infty## ... would it be sufficient to note that

##m^*([a, b]) = m^*((a, b)) = b - a## for ##a, b \in \mathbb{R}## where ##a \lt b##

... and that ##m^*( \emptyset ) = 0## ... and ##m^*( ( 0, \infty ) ) = \infty - 0 = \infty##

Does that complete the proof?

Peter
 
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Thanks for the hint Math_QED ...

We need to prove the following ...

If ##\emptyset \neq A\subseteq [0,\infty]##, then ##\inf(A)\geq 0##

Proof

Assume ##\text{inf} (A) \lt 0##

Then there exists ##x \in A## such that ##\text{inf} (A) \lt x \lt 0## ...

... contradiction as there are no negative numbers in ##A## ...

Therefore ##\inf(A)\geq 0## ...Could also prove this in the same way for ##m^*(E)## ...

This would establish that ##m^*(E) \geq 0## ...

But that would not necessarily mean that ##m^*(E)## ranges from ##0## to ##\infty## ...

So ... how do we proceed from here ...?

PeterEDIT

To prove that ##m^*(E)## ranges from ##0## to ##\infty## ... would it be sufficient to note that

##m^*([a, b]) = m^*((a, b)) = b - a## for ##a, b \in \mathbb{R}## where ##a \lt b##

... and that ##m^*( \emptyset ) = 0## ... and ##m^*( ( 0, \infty ) ) = \infty - 0 = \infty##

Does that complete the proof?

Peter

If ##A\subseteq [0,\infty]##, then ##0## is a lower bound of ##A## hence...
 
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Math_QED said:
If ##A\subseteq [0,\infty]##, then ##0## is a lower bound of ##A## hence...


Oh ... OK ... then ##m^* (A) \geq 0## ...

But ... does that necessarily prove that ##m^* (A)## ranges from ##0## to ##\infty##?

Peter
 
I'll be very explicit now.

Lemma: Let ##\emptyset \neq A \subseteq [0, \infty]##. Then ##\inf A \in [0, \infty]##.
Proof: ##0## is a lower bound for ##A##, hence by definition of infinum as greatest lower bound ##\inf(A) \geq 0##. ##\quad \square##

Apply the lemma with ##A:= \{\sum_{n=1}^\infty l(I_n): E \subseteq \bigcup_{n=1}^\infty I_n\}##. Then you obtain ##\infty \geq m^*(E)= \inf(A) \geq 0##.
 
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