##\left|L(f_{n}, P) - L(f,P)\right| < \epsilon##

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The problem involves uniform convergence of a sequence of functions \( f_n \) to a function \( f \) on the interval \([a,b]\) and the relationship between their lower sums \( L(f_n, P) \) and \( L(f, P) \) for a partition \( P \). The goal is to show that for any given \( \epsilon > 0 \), there exists a partition and a natural number such that the difference between these lower sums is less than \( \epsilon \).

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of the lower sums and consider how to bound the differences between the infimums of the functions involved. There is an exploration of using the triangle inequality to relate the sums and the uniform convergence condition to establish bounds.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the implications of uniform convergence on the bounds of the infimums. Some participants suggest potential approaches to justify their reasoning, while others are clarifying definitions and relationships between the terms involved.

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There is a focus on the properties of the lower sums in the context of Riemann integrals, and the participants are considering how to formally justify their reasoning regarding the bounds and relationships between the functions.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that ##f_{n} \rightarrow f## uniformly on [a,b] and that each ##f_{n}## is integrable on [a,b]. Show that given ##\epsilon > 0##, there exists a partition ##P## and a natural number ##N## such that ##\left|L(f_{n}, P) - L(f,P)\right| < \epsilon##.

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I let P be a partition. And
$$m_{k} = inf\{f(x) : x \in [x_{k-1},x_{k}\}$$
$$m_{k}^{'} = inf\{f_{n}(x): x \in [x_{k-1}, x_{k}]\}$$
I am thinking maybe I can say ##|m_{k} - m_{k}^{'}| \leq \frac{\epsilon}{b - a}##, but i do not really know how to justify it. formally anyway


 
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Euklidian-Space said:

Homework Statement


Suppose that ##f_{n} \rightarrow f## uniformly on [a,b] and that each ##f_{n}## is integrable on [a,b]. Show that given ##\epsilon > 0##, there exists a partition ##P## and a natural number ##N## such that ##\left|L(f_{n}, P) - L(f,P)\right| < \epsilon##.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I let P be a partition. And
$$m_{k} = inf\{f(x) : x \in [x_{k-1},x_{k}\}$$
$$m_{k}^{'} = inf\{f_{n}(x): x \in [x_{k-1}, x_{k}]\}$$
I am thinking maybe I can say ##|m_{k} - m_{k}^{'}| \leq \frac{\epsilon}{b - a}##, but i do not really know how to justify it. formally anyway
Can you refresh our memory as to what L in L(f, P) represents? Is it Lebesgue integral?
 
Mark44 said:
Can you refresh our memory as to what L in L(f, P) represents? Is it Lebesgue integral?
oh my bad. L(f,p) is the lower sum of the Reimann integral

$$L(f,P) = \sum_{k = 1}^{n} m_{k} (x_{k} - x_{k - 1})$$
 
Just a thought, use the triangle inequality, and say the sum is ##< \frac{\varepsilon}{2} + \frac{\varepsilon}{2}## using the information given.
 
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Zondrina said:
Just a thought, use the triangle inequality, and say the sum is ##< \frac{\varepsilon}{2} + \frac{\varepsilon}{2}## using the information given.
what exactly is less than ##\epsilon/2##? I was thinking something like...

$$|L(f_{n},P) - L(f,p)| = |\sum_{k = 1}^{n} m_{k}^{'}(x_{k} - x_{k - 1}) - \sum_{k = 1}^{n} m_{k} (x_{k} - x_{k - 1}|$$

we then have
$$\sum_{k = 1}^{n} m_{k}^{'} - m_{k} (x_{k} - x_{k - 1})$$

now if i can bound ##|m_{k}^{'} - m_{k}## by epsilon some how then i think that would work?
 
If you can guarantee that ##|f_n(x) - f(x)|<\varepsilon## for all ##x##, does this imply some bound on ##|m_k - m_k'|##?
 
micromass said:
If you can guarantee that ##|f_n(x) - f(x)|<\varepsilon## for all ##x##, does this imply some bound on ##|m_k - m_k'|##?

well since ##m_{k}## and ##m_{k}^{'}## are the infs they are definitely bounded by ##\epsilon## if ##|f_n(x) - f(x)|<\varepsilon## for all ##x##; which is true because we have uniform convergence
 

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