Length Contraction Formula: How to Calculate Observed Length at High Speeds

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to length contraction in special relativity, specifically concerning a spacecraft moving at a significant fraction of the speed of light. The original poster is trying to determine the observed length of the spacecraft from the perspective of a ground observer, given its proper length and speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the length contraction formula but expresses confusion about the proper length and whether a numerical answer is required. Some participants question the relationship between the given length and the proper length. Others suggest careful manipulation of the formula to clarify the calculations involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on the correct application of the length contraction formula. There is a focus on ensuring proper algebraic manipulation and understanding of the terms involved, although no consensus has been reached on the final interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of explicit numerical values for the proper length, which is causing some confusion among participants. The discussion also highlights the importance of careful substitution in the formula to avoid errors.

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Homework Statement


This is a question asked in a entrance examination[/B]
A spacecraft moves at a speed of 0.900c with respect to the ground. If its length is L, as measured by an observer on the spacecraft , what is the length measured by a ground observer?

Homework Equations


observed length(delta L) = proper length(delta Lo) * sqrt(1-(velocity/speed of light)^2)

The attempt at a solution
I am unable to proceed with this problem as I am not given the proper length. I don't understand if I am supposed to be using a different formula or if the answer is supposed to be an actual value or not. Any help in regards to the proper formula would be appreciated.
 
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What is the relationship between ##L## and the proper length?
 
Matt21 said:
If its length is L, as measured by an observer on the spacecraft ,

Matt21 said:
I am not given the proper length.
The required answer is not numerical, I think.
 
Matt21 said:
I am not given the proper length
Yes, you are given the proper length. It is L.

Be very careful in your substitution, this could get confusing.
 
When plugging in the values that I have into the equation I get Lo = L/((0.900c)^2/c^2) = L/0.316. Unless I did something wrong, I'm wondering if this is the right answer because it certainly doesn't seem like it.
 
I can't see how you got where you are by proper re-arrangement of that formula. Try to do that manipulation again- sticking carefully to the rules of algebra.
For instance, what happened to the "1-" bit? And the square root?
 
What you want here is:

##L=\dfrac{L_0}{\gamma(v)}##

where:

##\gamma(v)\equiv\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{1-\left(\dfrac{v}{c}\right)^2}}##

And so we have:

##L=L_0\sqrt{1-\left(\dfrac{v}{c}\right)^2}\tag{1}##

This is what you gave initially, but you wound up dividing, and not by ##\gamma(v)##. Try using the formula you initially gave (1).
 
MarkFL said:
What you want here is:

##L=\dfrac{L_0}{\gamma(v)}##

where:

##\gamma(v)\equiv\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{1-\left(\dfrac{v}{c}\right)^2}}##

And so we have:

##L=L_0\sqrt{1-\left(\dfrac{v}{c}\right)^2}\tag{1}##

This is what you gave initially, but you wound up dividing, and not by ##\gamma(v)##. Try using the formula you initially gave (1).
That's fine but I was hoping that he would dig himself out of that one. (I am a hateful person sometimes :wink:)
 
sophiecentaur said:
That's fine but I was hoping that he would dig himself out of that one. (I am a hateful person sometimes :wink:)

My apologies; during the time it took me to compose my post you had posted. If I had seen your post first, I certainly wouldn't have replied. :oops:
 
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No harm done. It's very hard not to give the answer when it's staring you in the face. But, hopefully, we have solved the OP's problem now.
 
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