Level Surfaces Problem- Calc III

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The discussion revolves around finding functions whose level surfaces correspond to specific equations in three-dimensional space, particularly in the context of calculus and level surfaces. The original poster presents two main questions involving the function f(x,y,z) and its relationship to the equations z = 3x + 4y and z = sqrt(16 - x^2).

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  • Participants explore how to define a function that assigns a specific value to a subset of space defined by given equations. There are attempts to manipulate the equations to find suitable functions, along with questions about the implications of constraints on these functions.

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Some participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the problem and the constraints involved. Hints have been provided to guide the exploration of the functions, and there is an ongoing dialogue about the correct approach to defining these functions without reaching a consensus on the final form.

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Participants express confusion about the relationship between the equations and the functions they need to define, indicating a need for further clarification on the concepts of level surfaces and their representations in three-dimensional space.

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I have a couple of questions, but probably only need one worked out to figure out the rest.

1. Find a function f(x,y,z) whose level surface f=8 is the graph of the function 3x+4y

=> I know that a level surface for f(x,y,z) is the solution to f(x,y,z)=k. However, now I'm stuck. I know how two draw or identify level surfaces when they're given, but I don't know what this question is asking.

Solutions that I have tried that don't make sense:

3x+4y=8
3x+4y-z=8
A couple of other shots in the dark
...eh?


2. a)Given f(x,y)= sqrt(16-x^2), find level surface of g(x,y,z)=c representing f(x,y).
b) c=?

=> f(x,y) is obviously half a cylinder of r=4, but again I can't visualize what the question asks.


Thanks!
 
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Andy13 said:
1. Find a function f(x,y,z) whose level surface f=8 is the graph of the function 3x+4y

Solutions that I have tried that don't make sense:

3x+4y=8
3x+4y-z=8

The first is an equation describing a subset of the plane; the second is an equation describing a subset of space. You need a function that assigns a value to every point in space. The only constraint on this function is that it should assign the value 8 to the points of the subset of space defined by the equation z = 3x + 4y, and not to any other points.

Here's a hint. If you know that z = 3x + 4y, what number can you predictably make out of (x, y, z)? How can you turn this number into the 8 you need?

Andy13 said:
2. a)Given f(x,y)= sqrt(16-x^2), find level surface of g(x,y,z)=c representing f(x,y).
b) c=?

Same strategy. You are asked to give a function g and a number c so that the c-level set of g is the subset of space described by the equation z = \sqrt{16 - x^2}. Figure out a function g which gives a predictable number at the points of this subset (and nowhere else).
 
ystael said:
"The only constraint on this function is that it should assign the value 8 to the points of the subset of space defined by the equation z = 3x + 4y, and not to any other points.

Here's a hint. If you know that z = 3x + 4y, what number can you predictably make out of (x, y, z)? How can you turn this number into the 8 you need?"




Still having difficulty. What I get from your explanation of "constraints" is that 8 should be substituted for x and y; is this correct?

In which case, the number predictably gotten would be 56, which divided by 7 would give 8.

... right track? completely wrong? Thanks.
 
Completely wrong, sorry.

Try a simpler problem. Can you give a function that takes the value zero in the xy-plane (i.e., on the plane z = 0), and nowhere else -- so that its 0-level set is that plane?
 
... I would hazard a guess at no. Would it be permissible for you to numerically work though one of either my examples or yours, and we'll see if I can get the subsequent examples from looking at that that? Verbal explanations clearly aren't working (though I appreciate them!).

From your example: does that mean that, for z=0, the function also equals 0?
 
ystael said:
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The only constraint on this function is that it should assign the value 8 to the points of the subset of space defined by the equation z = 3x + 4y, and not to any other points.

Here's a hint. If you know that z = 3x + 4y, what number can you predictably make out of (x, y, z)? How can you turn this number into the 8 you need?
...

Andy,

Think about ystael's hint.

If z=3x-4y then, what is 3x-4y-z equal to?
 
To Sammy:

Oh, I misunderstood the previous wording.


3x-4y-z=0

So, to "turn this number into the 8 you need," add 8 to both sides?

hence f(x,y,z) = 3x-4y-z+8
 
Andy13 said:
To Sammy:

Oh, I misunderstood the previous wording.


3x-4y-z=0

So, to "turn this number into the 8 you need," add 8 to both sides?

hence f(x,y,z) = 3x-4y-z+8

Yes, I believe that's what ystael was suggesting.
 

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