Lie Algebras: [H1, H2] = 0 => h1h2 = h2h1

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The problem involves Lie groups and Lie algebras, specifically examining the relationship between subalgebras and their corresponding subgroups. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that if two subalgebras commute, then their associated group elements also commute.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to use the adjoint representation and conjugation to show the desired result. They express uncertainty about their approach and seek clarification on the implications of connectedness in the context of the exponential map.
  • Some participants question the definition of the Lie subgroup associated with a Lie subalgebra and suggest using the exponential map.
  • Others note the uniqueness of the connected subgroup corresponding to a Lie subalgebra and reference the relationship between the exponential map and commutation of elements.
  • There is discussion about the surjectivity of the exponential map on connected Lie groups and its implications for the problem at hand.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the exponential map and its properties, though there remains uncertainty about its surjectivity and how it affects the original poster's approach.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of definitions and properties related to Lie groups and algebras, particularly in the context of the exponential map and its surjectivity. There is a recognition of the need for clarity on these concepts to advance the discussion.

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Hi! I have the following problem:

Let G be a connected Lie Group, \mathfrak g its Lie algebra. Let \mathfrak h_1, \mathfrak h_2 \subset \mathfrak g be subalgebras of \mathfrak g with [\mathfrak h_1, \mathfrak h_2] = 0, H_1, H_2 the subgroups belonging to them. Show: h_1h_2 = h_2h_1 for all h_1 \in H_1, h_2 \in H_2.

I tried to solve this by using the adjoint represantation and although it looks very promising, I can't really get it to work.

If I define C_x(y) := xyx^{-1} as the conjugation, then what needs to be shown is: C_{h_1}h_2 = h_2.

I'm using these symbols: Ad: G \rightarrow GL(\mathfrak g), Ad(g) := C_{g*e} and ad_X Y = [X, Y].

My idea is as follows: [\mathfrak h_1, \mathfrak h_2] = 0 implies ad_{h_1}ad_{h_2}=ad_{h_2}ad_{h_1} \Rightarrow Ad_{*e}(h_1)Ad_{*e}(h_2) = Ad_{*e}(h_2)Ad_{*e}(h_1) \Rightarrow (Ad(h_1)Ad(h_2))_{*e} = (Ad(h_2)Ad(h_1))_{*e}

\Rightarrow (Ad(h_1h_2))_{*e} = (Ad(h_2h_1))_{*e}. Since G is connected this implies Ad(h_1h_2) = Ad(h_2h_1) \Rightarrow C_{h_1h_2*e} = C_{h_2h_1*e} \Rightarrow C_{h_1h_2}= C_{h_2h_1} \Leftrightarrow C_{h_1} = C_{h_2h_1h_2^{-1}} but I'm not getting any further from here.

Maybe this is the wrong path altogether but I don't see how else I could use the connectedness of G as well as the information on the Lie bracket to make a statement on the group elements themselves.
 
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How do you define the Lie subgroup associated the Lie subalgebra h1? I'm going to guess that you want to use the exponential map here.
 
"If \mathfrak h \subset \mathfrak g is a Lie subalgebra, there exists a unique connected Lie subgroup H \subset G with Lie algebra \mathfrak h."

I'm sure this unique connected subgroup is meant in the assignment.
 
Sajet said:
"If \mathfrak h \subset \mathfrak g is a Lie subalgebra, there exists a unique connected Lie subgroup H \subset G with Lie algebra \mathfrak h."

I'm sure this unique connected subgroup is meant in the assignment.

I'm sure it is too. Look at how they proved that statement. I'm guessing you can use exp(A)exp(B)=exp(B)exp(A) if [A,B]=0.
 
Hi! Thank you for your response.

The proof for this theorem uses distributions and leafs. But it is also shown that exp(A)exp(B) = exp(B)exp(A) if [A, B] = 0 at a different point in our script. But are you sure this fact can be used here? Is the exponential map necessarily surjective on a connected Lie group?

I'm a little confused. I tried to look this up and while I found two sources stating

"If G is a Lie group and G0 is the connected component of 1, then G0 is generated by exp(g)."

which would apply to a connected Lie group (right?), I found other sources stating:

"Not even on connected Lie groups is the exponential map necessarily surjective. Example: SL(2,IR)."

And if it's not surjective, how I could I use your idea if h_1 or h_2 are not included in the image of exp?

edit: Ok, I think I get it now. The first statement is just about a generator of the Lie group. I'll take a closer look at it now.

edit 2: Thank you, I think this works!
 
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