Lightest diesel engine known to man

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the lightest known diesel engine, particularly in the context of portable electricity generators with a power output of 1-3 kW. Participants explore the characteristics, weight, and applications of diesel engines compared to gasoline engines, as well as the specific requirements for portability and reliability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that diesel engines are generally heavier than gasoline engines due to higher compression ratios requiring stronger components.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of "equivalence" between diesel and gasoline engines, with considerations of displacement, horsepower, and torque.
  • Participants mention specific examples of small diesel engines, including a 2.5 kWe Yanmar generator weighing about 65 kg and various model engines.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a diesel generator that is as light as possible, specifically for outdoor applications.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of finding the lightest diesel engine, with suggestions that many generators in the 3 kW range typically weigh between 100-150 lbs.
  • Some participants argue that the traditional benefits of diesel engines, such as reliability and low maintenance, may not apply at very small scales.
  • There is a suggestion that the lightest commercially available diesel generator in the specified power range would likely weigh at least 80 pounds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the weight and characteristics of diesel engines, with no consensus on the lightest diesel engine or generator available. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific requirements and trade-offs involved in selecting a diesel generator.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the trade-offs between weight, power output, and cost, indicating that many of the desired features may conflict with one another. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the availability of diesel engines in the specified power range.

  • #31
Mech_Engineer said:
Perhaps if you're insterested in super-lightweight power generation and cost is not a problem, you could adapt a hobby-grade turbine onto a geerator unit. There are hobby-sized turbines that put out 5hp or maybe higher, and can weigh 5 or 6 pounds. Paired with the fact that turbines are less restricitive as to what they can be run on, it might be possible to adapt a turbine to run on less coventional fuels.

Very nice idea, but for power generation you need a really good way to control turbine speed to maintain frequency/voltage/load. With a model turbine, this could be really difficult!
 
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  • #32
brewnog said:
Very nice idea, but for power generation you need a really good way to control turbine speed to maintain frequency/voltage/load. With a model turbine, this could be really difficult!

Very true, you would have to have quite an advanced control system to throttle the turbine's fuel, especially with quickly varying electrical loads like turning an appliance on.

Edit- not to mention, trying to find a gearbox that can handle shaft input speeds on the order of 50,000 rpm or more...
 
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  • #34
Hi

I have been looking for a small light diesel Generator.

In the past I have seen a small military 500 watt generator to be used to charge the accessories of the military. The engine looked like a model engine but had higher compression so it could use normal engine diesel fuel. The life span of this and the larger generators was only a few hundred hours.

Turbine engine generators are light but small turbines have a problem staying lite, using fuels like diesel.

Advanced Engine Technology has developed some generators to be use by the Canadian coast guard and Oceans and fisheries in the Arctic.

Lightest Diesel Generator between 1-3 KW is the Ultra Light by Advanced Engine technology. It is 1 KW (500 watts continuous) and 35 pounds two stroke air cooled diesel. It has only 500 hour life.

The second Lightest is the 4 KW 85 pound 12 DC generators by eCycle.com. This uses either Kabota , or Hatz engines.

The third Lightest is the Flex-Light by Advanced Engine Technology. It is 2.5 KW, 108 pounds, and will hand start down to -12C and electric start down to -46C. Very Low Maintenance. 6,000 hour life.

The 4th is Advanced Engine Technology 2.4 KW and 110 lbs Polar-Lite. Hand start down to -46C. Very Low Maintenance 6,000 hour life.

Third is the http://www.peakpowertools.com/Portable-Generator-Diesel-Pramac-3700-Watt-4kW-p/gpr04601.htm at 120 pounds and 3.7 KW.

If you want a very small generator you can make a small engine that uses diesel engine that uses normal diesel by just having great compression and the size of a model engine, but it will only last a few hundred hours. Then just swap out the engine.

The main reason to use diesel is that it is cheaper, so go with a 4 stroke and expect to have a genset that weighs 100 pounds or more.

Go go Diesel

Master@UnderFunded.com
 
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  • #35
If you want a gasoline generator the Old Tiny Tiger is only 13 pounds and 500 watts. I have a few of these 2 stroke generators, but none work. No one knows how, or is willing to fix them.

Light generators are possible.

Peter
 
  • #36
Mech_Engineer said:
However, a diesel will also have more torque than a similar displacement gasoline engine.

"Bmep is a useful measure of torque output. Typical maximum bmep are:

NA gasoline 8-11 bar
Turbo gasoline 12-17 bar
NA diesel 7-9 bar
Turbo diesel 10-12 bar"

Diesel engines typically make more torque than hp, but specific output of both is lower than gas engines.
 

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