Limit n approaches infinity of (1 + n)^(1/n)

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (1 + n)^(1/n) as n approaches infinity. Participants explore various methods to understand the behavior of this limit without relying on calculators, particularly focusing on logarithmic approaches.

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  • Some participants attempt to use logarithms to simplify the limit, while others express confusion about the process and seek intuitive understanding. There are questions about the correctness of the limit setup and the implications of taking logarithms.

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Participants are actively engaging with different methods to analyze the limit, including logarithmic transformations and L'Hôpital's Rule. There is a recognition of potential misunderstandings regarding the limit notation and the behavior of the original expression as n approaches infinity.

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Some participants mention constraints related to test conditions, such as the inability to use calculators, which influences their approach to the problem. There is also a note of confusion regarding the correct formulation of the limit and its implications.

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1. lim (1 + n)^(1/n)
n→∞

2. I was able to figure out that the limit goes to 1 only after I substituted larger and larger values in place of n in my calculator.

Since I cannot use a calculator on my test, is there another way to know what the limit goes to?

Thanks.
 
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Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
1. lim (1 + n)^(1/n)
n→∞

2. I was able to figure out that the limit goes to 1 only after I substituted larger and larger values in place of n in my calculator.

Since I cannot use a calculator on my test, is there another way to know what the limit goes to?

Thanks.

Take logarithms.
 
AGH! Taking logarithms seems harder than it should be...

Just setting up a log would look like this, right? log1+nx = 1/n

...Don't even know how to solve that.

But isn't there an intuitive way to figure out the right answer?
 
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
AGH! Taking logarithms seems harder than it should be...

Just setting up a log would look like this, right? log1+nx = 1/n
Not a very convenient log base. Try loge (AKA ln).
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
...Don't even know how to solve that.

But isn't there an intuitive way to figure out the right answer?
 
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
AGH! Taking logarithms seems harder than it should be...

Just setting up a log would look like this, right? log1+nx = 1/n

...Don't even know how to solve that.

But isn't there an intuitive way to figure out the right answer?

I would start approaching this by considering that: lim_(x→∞) for (1/x) = 0
 
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
1. lim (1 + n)^(1/n)
n→∞

2. I was able to figure out that the limit goes to 1 only after I substituted larger and larger values in place of n in my calculator.

Since I cannot use a calculator on my test, is there another way to know what the limit goes to?

Thanks.

Are you sure you wrote the limit correctly? There's a much more interesting limit that goes ##\displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty} (1 + \frac{1}{n})^n## or, equivalently, ##\displaystyle \lim_{n \to 0} (1 + n)^{\frac{1}{n}}##.

As written, the limit is easily seen to be equivalent to ##\displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty} n^{\frac{1}{n}}## since the "1" can be ignored at the limit. This limit can be resolved by taking the natural logarithm, and then using L' Hopital's Rule.
 
Okay, thanks, you guys! :)

So I take the ln to bring down the fraction.

ln[(1+n)1/2]

= 1/2ln(n+1) →L'Hospital's→ (1/2)(1/(n+1))(1) = 1/(2n + 2)

When I substitute infinity for n here, it seems that it goes to 0, not 1...

Am I doing something wrong here...?
 
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
Okay, thanks, you guys! :)

So I take the ln to bring down the fraction.

ln[(1+n)1/2]

= 1/2ln(n+1) →L'Hospital's→ (1/2)(1/(n+1))(1) = 1/(2n + 2)

When I substitute infinity for n here, it seems that it goes to 0, not 1...

Am I doing something wrong here...?

Where did the (1/2) power come from? And if the log goes to 0 what does the original sequence go to?
 
oh, man. I was looking at another problem and wrote down 1/2 instead of 1/n!

ln(1+n)1/n = ln(1+n)/n →L'Hospital's→ 1/(1+n)

1/(1+infinity) = 0

Oh, so you mean that since we used the ln, and it went to zero, then the original expression must have gone to 1.

Because ln(1) = 0

Is this right?

Thanks! :)
 
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Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
oh, man. I was looking at another problem and wrote down 1/2 instead of 1/n!

ln(1+n)1/n = ln(1+n)/n →L'Hospital's→ 1/(1+n)

1/(1+infinity) = 0

Oh, so you mean that since we used the ln, and it went to zero, then the original expression must have gone to 1.

Because ln(1) = 0

Is this right?

Thanks! :)

Pretty much right, except that I think you should use limit notation instead of writing things like 1/(1+infinity) = 0.
 

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