Limits at non-accumulation points

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The discussion centers around the concept of limits of functions at non-accumulation points, exploring why limits are considered undefined in such cases. Participants examine the implications of the epsilon-delta definition of limits and provide examples to illustrate their points.

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  • One participant questions why limits are not defined at non-accumulation points, using the example of a constant function f(x) = k defined on integers, suggesting that limits could be k at these points.
  • Another participant proposes that while limits may be extended to non-accumulation points, there is no unique way to do so, indicating a potential ambiguity in defining limits in such contexts.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim by stating that if x0 is not an accumulation point, there exists a delta such that any x within that delta is not in the domain of f, thus making |f(x) - k| undefined.
  • One participant shares an anecdote about asking a teacher for proof regarding limits at non-accumulation points, specifically stating that for any number L, the limit as x approaches c (where c is not an accumulation point) can be claimed to equal L, prompting a request for a proof of this assertion.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and implications of limits at non-accumulation points, with no consensus reached on the validity of the claims made.

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The discussion highlights the ambiguity surrounding the definitions and properties of limits at non-accumulation points, particularly regarding the application of the epsilon-delta definition and the implications of function domains.

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Why are limits of functions not defined at non-accumulation points?

For example, take the function f(x) = k, for x in Z

Then based on the epsilon delta definition of a limit, for any epsilon > 0, we can always find a delta, for which 0 < |x-x_0| < delta implies |f(x)-k| = 0 < epsilon. Thus, the limit of every non-accumulation point of f(x) has limit = k.

This example seems to contradict the fact that limits are undefined at non-accumulation points.
 
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i think they mean that if the function were defined on a given set, then we could extend it sometimes to non accumulation points using limits, but there is no unique way to do this at non accum. points.
 
breez said:
Why are limits of functions not defined at non-accumulation points?

For example, take the function f(x) = k, for x in Z

Then based on the epsilon delta definition of a limit, for any epsilon > 0, we can always find a delta, for which 0 < |x-x_0| < delta implies |f(x)-k| = 0 < epsilon. Thus, the limit of every non-accumulation point of f(x) has limit = k.

This example seems to contradict the fact that limits are undefined at non-accumulation points.
Why should f(x)= k in your example?

If x0 is not an accumulation point of (the domain of) f, then there exist some delta such that any x such that 0< |x- x0|< delta is not in the domain of f. Then 0< |x- x0|< delta does not imply |f(x)- k|= 0, because f(x) is not defined and so |f(x)- f(x0| has no value.
 
Interesting, I asked my teacher this question and he told me to prove:

If c is not an accumulation point of the domain of
f, then for every number L we have

lim f(x) = L.
x-->c

How do you go about proving this?
 

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