Limits of Complex Expressions: Infinity or 0?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating limits of complex expressions involving infinity and zero, specifically focusing on the limits of polynomial and cube root expressions as \( x \) approaches infinity. Participants explore various methods of simplification and expansion, including binomial expansion and rationalization.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a limit involving a polynomial and a square root, expressing confusion about how to proceed after simplification.
  • Another participant suggests that the limit of the original expression grows large as \( x \) increases, arguing against the need for further multiplication.
  • A different participant proposes using binomial expansion to evaluate the limit of a cube root expression, indicating that the answer is neither \( 0 \) nor infinity.
  • One participant questions the nature of the binomial expansion, inquiring about its relation to Taylor series expansion and the number of terms needed for non-integer exponents.
  • Another participant confirms that the answer \( \frac{2}{3} \) is correct and offers an alternative method involving rationalization of cube roots to arrive at the same result.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between binomial expansion and Taylor series, with confirmation that they are equivalent in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the evaluation of the limits, with some asserting that the answer is \( \frac{2}{3} \) while others remain uncertain about the methods used. There is no consensus on the best approach to take, and the discussion includes both agreement on certain calculations and ongoing questions about the techniques employed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the binomial expansion and its application, indicating a potential gap in understanding the necessary mathematical tools. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with series expansions and their implications for evaluating limits.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals interested in advanced calculus, particularly those exploring limits, series expansions, and methods of simplification in mathematical expressions.

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1.
$$=\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}} (x^3+\sqrt{x^6+x^3+1}$$
Multiplying top and bottom by $$x^3-\sqrt{x^6+x^3+1}$$, we get:
$$=\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}} \frac{x^3+1}{x^3-\sqrt{x^6+x^3+1}}$$
Dividing by the highest power:
$$=\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}} \frac{1+\frac{1}{x^3}}{1-\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^3}}}$$
$$=\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}} \frac{1+\frac{1}{x^3}}{1-\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^3}+\frac{1}{x^6}}}$$

The answer is still undefined, how can I proceed?

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$$=\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\sqrt[3]{x^3+x^2}-\sqrt[3]{x^3-x^2}$$
Factoring out an $x^3$
$$=\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}x(\sqrt[3]{1+\frac{1}{x}}-\sqrt[3]{1-\frac{1}{x}}) $$

What do I do now? Wolfram Alpha says the answer is infinity, but a student-written answer key says it is 0, because "the x outside the brackets goes to infinity, but the brackets will put it back to zero, eventually winning". That sounds like a very bad reason, but any ideas?
 
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Rido12 said:
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$$=\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}} \bigl(x^3+\sqrt{x^6+x^3+1}\bigr)$$
You don't need to multiply top and bottom by anything here. Each term is at least as large as $x^3$, so their sum gets very large as $x$ increases ... .
Rido12 said:
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$$=\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}\sqrt[3]{x^3+x^2}-\sqrt[3]{x^3-x^2}$$
Factoring out an $x^3$
$$=\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}x\Bigl(\sqrt[3]{1+\frac{1}{x}}-\sqrt[3]{1-\frac{1}{x}}\Bigr) $$
Good start. Now use the binomial expansion $(1+s)^{1/ 3} = 1 + \frac13s +$ (higher powers of $s$), taking $s = \frac1x$ and then $-\frac1x$. You should find that the answer is neither $0$ nor infinity.
 
I've never formally learned binomial expansion. By what I've researched, does the expansion have an infinite number of terms for non-integer exponent values? If so, I will only need to do the first few terms, right? What is the formula that will give me the terms? And is this in any way related to taylor series expansion, or is it the taylor series expansion?

Anyways, in the meantime, I'll be using the series expansion as given by Wolfram Alpha, but I do want to learn how to get them after.

$$\displaystyle =\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}x\Bigl([1+\frac{1}{3x}+\frac{1}{9x^2}...]-[1-\frac{1}{3x}-\frac{1}{9x^2}...]\Bigr)$$
$$\displaystyle =\lim_{{x}\to{\infty}}[x+\frac{1}{3}+\frac{1}{9x}...]-[x-\frac{1}{3}-\frac{1}{9x}...]$$
$$=\frac{2}{3}$$

Is that correct?
This question is from a Calc 1 exam... If it involves series expansion, I guess this is a really mean question. If anyone's curious as to where I got this question from: http://skule.ca/courses/exams/MAT194H1_20139_6313949059622013_final.pdf
 
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The answer $2 /3$ is correct. Another way to do it, without using Newton's binomial theorem, is to rationalise the expression. Just as you can sometimes simplify $\sqrt a - \sqrt b $ by writing it as $\dfrac{(\sqrt a - \sqrt b)(\sqrt a + \sqrt b)}{\sqrt a + \sqrt b} = \dfrac{a-b}{\sqrt a + \sqrt b}$, so you can do the same sort of thing with cube roots. In fact, $$ a^{1 /3} - b^{1 /3} = \frac{(a^{1 /3} - b^{1 /3})(a^{2 /3} + a^{1 /3}b^{1 /3} + b^{2 /3})}{a^{2 /3} + a^{1 /3}b^{1 /3} + b^{2 /3}} = \frac{a-b}{a^{2 /3} + a^{1 /3}b^{1 /3} + b^{2 /3}}.$$ That trick will get you the answer $2 /3$ here, and it's probably the method that was intended in that exam.
 
Great! Was the binomial expansion that you were referring to a taylor series expansion?
 
Rido12 said:
Was the binomial expansion that you were referring to a taylor series expansion?
Yes, the binomial expansion of $(1+x)^r$ is the same as its Taylor series.
 

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