Limits to infinity with natural logs

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The discussion revolves around calculating limits involving natural logarithms as \( x \) approaches infinity. Participants are exploring two specific limits: \( \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{(\ln x)^5}{x} \) and \( \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{14 \ln x^2}{6 \ln x^3} \). There is a focus on understanding the behavior of logarithmic functions in these limits.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods to evaluate the limits, including the potential use of L'Hôpital's rule and properties of logarithms. There are questions about the validity of certain steps and whether specific manipulations are appropriate. Some participants express confusion about the implications of the forms \( 0/0 \) and how to handle them.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing different insights and suggestions. Some have offered guidance on using logarithmic properties, while others are questioning assumptions and the correctness of previous attempts. There is no explicit consensus on the final outcomes, but several participants are engaging with the problems constructively.

Contextual Notes

One participant mentions a restriction against using L'Hôpital's rule, which influences the approaches being considered. There is also a mention of confusion regarding the application of derivatives in the context of limits.

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Homework Statement



I'm having trouble calculating these limits.


Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



1. lim...((lnx)^5)/(x)=
x->infinity

(((lnx)^5)/x)/(x/x)=

(((lnx)^5)/x)/1=

How do I calculate from here?

2.lim ...(14lnx^2)/(6lnx^3)=
x->infinity

((14lnx^2)/(x^3))/((6lnx^3)/(x^3))=

((14lnx)/(x))/(6lnx)=

0/6lnx= 0

Is this right or am I forgetting something?
 
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Cacophony said:

Homework Statement



I'm having trouble calculating these limits.


Homework Equations



none

The Attempt at a Solution



1. lim...((lnx)^5)/(x)=
x->infinity

(((lnx)^5)/x)/(x/x)=

(((lnx)^5)/x)/1=

How do I calculate from here?
You're going in circles... back to what you started with.

As Punky said, use L'Hôpital's rule.
2.lim ...(14lnx^2)/(6lnx^3)=
x->infinity

((14lnx^2)/(x^3))/((6lnx^3)/(x^3))=

((14lnx)/(x))/(6lnx)=

0/6lnx= 0

Is this right or am I forgetting something?
In #2, what you have done is incorrect.

Use properties of logarithms for #2. It works out quite simply.

\log_{\,b}(x^a)=(a)\log_{\,b}(x)\,.
 
I'm not allowed to use L'Hopital, and I will change #2
 
So would the second problem look something like this:

28lnx/18lnx?
 
Cacophony said:
So would the second problem look something like this:

28lnx/18lnx?
If you mean the limit of 28lnx/(18lnx), then yes, that's right.

I'll think about #1 some more. Maybe someone else will help.
 
ok so it will be ((28lnx)/x)/((18lnx)/x) = 0/0 = DNE?
 
Cacophony said:
ok so it will be ((28lnx)/x)/((18lnx)/x) = 0/0 = DNE?
A limit of the form 0/0 is indeterminate. It might exist or might not exist.

Why are you bothering to multiply the numerator & denominator by 1/x ? (That accomplishes nothing!)

What is \displaystyle \frac{\ln(x)}{\ln(x)}\, for any x in the domain of the natural log ?
 
1/1 ?
 
  • #10
For #1.

Do you know \displaystyle \lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{\ln(x)}{x}\ ?

If so then rewrite \displaystyle \frac{(\ln(x))^5}{x}\ \text{ as }\ \frac{(\ln(x))^5}{x^5}\ x^4\ .
 
  • #11
Cacophony said:
1/1 ?
Yes !

What does that leave you with?
 
  • #12
So basically the limit is then 28/18?
 
  • #13
Cacophony said:
So basically the limit is then 28/18?
Yes.
 
  • #14
I think I know how to do the first one by applying the chain rule:

limit to infinity

((lnx)^5)/(x)=

(5(lnx)^4)*(1/x)/(x)=
5(lnx)^4*0/(x)= 0

Is that valid?
 
  • #15
Ignore my last post I got confused, this isn't a derivative
 
  • #16
Look at post #10 .
 

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