Linear acceleration as a fx of displacement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving velocity as a function of distance and time from a linear approximation of acceleration due to gravity, expressed as a function of height. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved in this derivation, including the use of differential equations and integration techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a linear equation for acceleration as a function of height: a(h) = g - hg', suggesting it is a better approximation than treating acceleration as constant.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that a more accurate expression for acceleration is a(h) = GM/(h + R)², where M is the mass of the Earth, R is the Earth's radius, and G is the gravitational constant.
  • Participants discuss the difficulty of expressing height as a function of time or vice versa without knowing acceleration or velocity as functions of time.
  • A participant mentions that acceleration can be expressed as the derivative of velocity with respect to time and uses the chain rule to relate acceleration to velocity and height.
  • There is confusion about how to incorporate velocity into the differential equation v(dv/dx) = g - g'x, with one participant questioning how v(dv) represents velocity as a function of height.
  • Another participant suggests integrating the equation to find a relationship between velocity and height, providing an expression that includes a constant of integration dependent on initial conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate model for acceleration as a function of height, with some supporting the linear approximation and others advocating for a more complex gravitational model. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to derive velocity from these equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of integrating the differential equation and the role of initial conditions in determining the constant of integration. There is also uncertainty about the correct application of the chain rule and the integration process.

Nirck
Hi everyone. I just began my Calculus based physics course 3 weeks ago and I really love it. I've been going ahead of the class though and came across the following problem:

As g, the acceleration due to gravity, is constant for only a limited range of height distances, a better approximation would be the linear equation

a(h) = g - hg'

where h is the distance from the ground and g' is a small constant of proportional dimensions.

My problem is that I now need to derive velocity as a function of distance, and then as a function of time.

I've tried everything I can think of, but I just can't seem to wrap my head around how I can express height as a function of time, or vice versa, without knowing either acceleration as a function of time or velocity as a function of time, but I can't get either of those without knowing one of the other two!

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
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Nirck said:
Hi everyone. I just began my Calculus based physics course 3 weeks ago and I really love it. I've been going ahead of the class though and came across the following problem:

As g, the acceleration due to gravity, is constant for only a limited range of height distances, a better approximation would be the linear equation

a(h) = g - hg'

where h is the distance from the ground and g' is a small constant of proportional dimensions.
Actually, a(h)= GM/(h+ R)2 where M is the mass of the earth, R is the radius of the Earth and G is the "universal gravitational constant" but yes, that is a better approximation for a(h) than just a constant.

My problem is that I now need to derive velocity as a function of distance, and then as a function of time.

I've tried everything I can think of, but I just can't seem to wrap my head around how I can express height as a function of time, or vice versa, without knowing either acceleration as a function of time or velocity as a function of time, but I can't get either of those without knowing one of the other two!

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
With continuously varying quantities, acceleration is the derivative of v, with respect to time: a= dv/dt. By the chain rule, then a= (dv/dx)(dx/dt)= v(dv/dx). To find the acceleration as a function of height, x, you would need to solve the differential equation v(dv/dx)= g- g' x. That can be "separated' as dv= (g- g'x)dx and integrated directly.
 
HallsofIvy said:
To find the acceleration as a function of height, x, you would need to solve the differential equation v(dv/dx)= g- g' x. That can be "separated' as dv= (g- g'x)dx and integrated directly.

I was able to get to this point myself, but I'm confused as to where the v goes in this equation. It seems to me that the equation would be v(dv) = (g0 - g'x)(dx), and I don't quite understand how the v(dv) would represent velocity as a function of height...??
 
Nirck said:
I was able to get to this point myself, but I'm confused as to where the v goes in this equation. It seems to me that the equation would be v(dv) = (g0 - g'x)(dx), and I don't quite understand how the v(dv) would represent velocity as a function of height...??


You integrate, as I said. [tex]\int vdv= \int (g_0- g' x)dx[/tex]. You will get
[tex]\frac{1}{2}v^2= g_0x- \frac{g'}{2}x^2+ C[/itex]. The "C" will depend upon the initial height and velocity.[/tex]
 

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