Linear Algebra- Onto and One to One Linear Transformations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concepts of one-to-one and onto linear transformations in linear algebra, exploring their definitions, implications, and examples. Participants examine these concepts in the context of matrix representations and transformations between different vector spaces.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define one-to-one as a function that passes the horizontal line test, while others question whether certain functions, like sin(x), are one-to-one.
  • Participants propose that onto means every y value is used in a function, with examples provided to illustrate this concept.
  • There is a discussion on the relationship between linear independence of transformation matrices and their one-to-one nature, with some asserting that linearly independent matrices have unique solutions.
  • Some participants express confusion about the definitions of linearly independent matrices and the concept of spanning the codomain.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate transformations that are one-to-one but not onto, onto but not one-to-one, both, and neither, with some participants challenging the validity of these examples.
  • A later reply introduces the alternative theorem, suggesting that in the case of transformations from R^n to R^n, being one-to-one implies being onto and vice versa.
  • There is a debate about the dimensions of the domain and codomain in relation to the examples given, with some participants questioning the correctness of the transformations presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of one-to-one and onto transformations, with no consensus reached on some examples provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding certain definitions and the validity of specific transformation examples.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clearer definitions and examples, particularly regarding linear independence in the context of matrices and the concept of spanning the codomain. There are unresolved questions about the dimensionality of the transformations discussed.

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Hey guys, I'm studying these concepts in linear algebra right now and I was wanting to confirm that my interpretation of it was correct.

One to one in algebra means that for every y value, there is only 1 x value for that y value- as in- a function must pass the horizontal line test (Even functions, trig functions would fail (not 1-1), for example, but odd functions would pass (1-1))

Onto means that in a function, every single y value is used, so again, trig and event functions would fail, but odd functions would pass- Any kind of function with a vertical asymptote would pass

So i tried to put these concepts in the context of linear functions and this is what I'm thinking-


Since transformations are represented by matrices,

Linearly independent transformation matrices would be considered one to one- because they have a unique solution. Linearly dependent transformations would not be one-to-one because they have multiple solutions to each y(=b) value, so you could have multiple x values for b

Now for onto, I feel like if a linear transformation spans the codomain it's in, then that means that all b values are used, so it is onto.

Examples:

1-1 but not onto

A linearly independent transformation from R3->R4 that ends up spanning only a plane in R4

Onto but not 1-1

A linearly dependent transformation from R3->R2 that's spans R2

1-1 AND onto

A linearly independent transformation from R3->R3 that spans R3

Neither 1-1 nor onto

A linearly dependent transformation from R2->R2 that spans a line


Is this interpretation correct?
 
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Sasor said:
Hey guys, I'm studying these concepts in linear algebra right now and I was wanting to confirm that my interpretation of it was correct.

One to one in algebra means that for every y value, there is only 1 x value for that y value- as in- a function must pass the horizontal line test (Even functions, trig functions would fail (not 1-1), for example, but odd functions would pass (1-1))

So an odd function such as sin(x) would be one-to-one?

Onto means that in a function, every single y value is used, so again, trig and event functions would fail, but odd functions would pass-

So sin(x) is onto?

Any kind of function with a vertical asymptote would pass

So |tan(x)| is onto??

So i tried to put these concepts in the context of linear functions and this is what I'm thinking-


Since transformations are represented by matrices,

Linearly independent transformation matrices would be considered one to one- because they have a unique solution. Linearly dependent transformations would not be one-to-one because they have multiple solutions to each y(=b) value, so you could have multiple x values for b

And what exactly is a "linear independent matrix" or "linearly dependent transformation"??

Now for onto, I feel like if a linear transformation spans the codomain it's in, then that means that all b values are used, so it is onto.

How does a linear transformation span the codomain exactly?? What does that mean?

Examples:

1-1 but not onto

A linearly independent transformation from R3->R4 that ends up spanning only a plane in R4

Onto but not 1-1

A linearly dependent transformation from R3->R2 that's spans R2

1-1 AND onto

A linearly independent transformation from R3->R3 that spans R3

Neither 1-1 nor onto

A linearly dependent transformation from R2->R2 that spans a line


Is this interpretation correct?
 
What are you getting at? If I'm incorrect, then just tell me
 
Sasor said:
What are you getting at? If I'm incorrect, then just tell me

I just gave feedback on your post and I gave you some things to think about.

Furthermore, I honestly do not understand what you mean with linearly dependent matrix or a transformation spanning the codomain. So you should really say what you mean with that.
 
A linearly dependent matrix is a matrix that is linearly dependent matrix...I don't know how I can really explain this...you understand what linear dependence means, right?

Also, when I say spans the codomain, I mean that the b in T(x)=b could be any vector in the codomain...
 
Sasor said:
A linearly dependent matrix is a matrix that is linearly dependent matrix...I don't know how I can really explain this...you understand what linear dependence means, right?

I know very well what linear dependence means, but not in the context you are talking about. To me a set \{v_1,...,v_n\} is linearly independent if for all \alpha_1,...,\alpha_n\in \mathbb{R} holds:
\alpha_1v_1+...\alpha_nv_n=0~\Rightarrow \alpha_1=...=\alpha_n=0

So, we are talking about a set of vectors here that is linearly indepenent. What you mean with a linearly independent matrix is a mystery to me. How does your book define it?

Also, when I say spans the codomain, I mean that the b in T(x)=b could be any vector in the codomain...

What is b, what is x?? Can you look the definition up in your textbook and quote it here?
 
Ok, well linear dependence in context of a matrix is just like linear dependence with a set of vectors...

for example

[1 4 8 3]
[2 4 1 7]
[3 2 6 7]

If this^ matrix is linearly dependent, then it is equivalent to saying that these vectors:

[1] [4] [8] [3]
[2] [4] [1] [7]
[3],[2],[6],[7]

are linearly independent...
(The formal definition is that if you can set a matrix Ax=0 and your only solution is x=0, then the matrix/set of vectors is linearly independent)
Here is what I mean by b

[A|b] is the augmented matrix

so that

Ax=b

where
A is the coefficient matrix
x is the solution or kernel of solutions
and b is the vector in question to be found

Analogous to regular algebra

Ax=b

is to

mx=y
 
OK, so you define a matrix to be linearly (in)dependent if their column vectors are linearly (in)dependent? I've never really seen this definition before, but ok.

This is indeed equivalent to

Ax=0~\Rightarrow x=0

for all x.

And indeed, if a matrix satisfies that, then it is one-to-one. So any "linearly independent matrix" is one-to-one.

With "A spanning the codomain" you seem to mean that Ax=b has a solution for every b in the codomain. This is indeed equivalent to onto.

About your examples:

Examples:

1-1 but not onto

A linearly independent transformation from R3->R4 that ends up spanning only a plane in R4

I don't think it is possible for a transformation to be both "linearly independent" and only spanning a plane. So while your example does imply that the transformation is 1-1 but not onto, I fear that there are no such transformations.

Onto but not 1-1

A linearly dependent transformation from R3->R2 that's spans R2

OK

1-1 AND onto

A linearly independent transformation from R3->R3 that spans R3

Neither 1-1 nor onto

A linearly dependent transformation from R2->R2 that spans a line

Also ok.
A nice fact in linear algebra is the following: Let T is a transformation from \mathbb{R}^n\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^n (so very important: domain and codomain must have the same dimension). If T is 1-1, then it is onto. And if T is onto, then it is 1-1.
This is sometimes called the alternative theorem.
 
Ok cool, and that alternative theorem is very convenient and it makes sense...thanks for the help!
 
  • #10
Well about that 1-1 but not onto thing, I just did an example-

If you want to transform

[x1]
[x2]

->

[3*x1]
[x1+4*x2]
[x1+5]You'd get a transformation matrix

[3 0] ... ...[0]
[1 4] *[x1] +[0]
[1 0] *[x2] [5]

right?

in this case, it'd be linearly independent, but it'd only span a plane in r3
 
  • #11
Right, but the domain of that is not \mathbb{R}^3, as you claimed before.
 
  • #12
well the domain of the matrix is indeed in R3...

[3 0]
[1 4]
[1 0]
 
  • #13
Sasor said:
well the domain of the matrix is indeed in R3...

[3 0]
[1 4]
[1 0]

Really? So what is the image of (1,1,1) then?
 
  • #14
oh wait, nevermind...domain is in r2...but either way...

it wouldn't be onto because you're still only spanning a plane in r3

but if you look at the transformation, matrix, it's linearly independent
 

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