Linear Algebra Proof: Prove if Rational Solutions Exist

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The discussion revolves around proving the existence of rational solutions for a system of equations with rational coefficients and constants in the context of linear algebra. The original poster seeks guidance on understanding the implications of having rational solutions and the nature of solutions in such systems.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants suggest starting with simple examples to explore the nature of solutions, such as considering a single equation with rational coefficients. Questions arise about the conditions under which rational solutions exist and the implications of having infinitely many solutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and prompting further exploration of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to demonstrate the existence of rational solutions rather than assuming them.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of rational solutions within the framework of linear algebra, questioning assumptions about the nature of solutions in systems with rational coefficients.

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Homework Statement



Prove that if a system with rational coeffcients and constants has a solution then it has at least one all-rational solution. If such as system has infinitely many solutions, will it also have infinitely many all-rational solutions ?


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So I'm taking this Linear Algebra course and I've never had such a hard time answering what appear to be very simple questions (and I had no issues with calc 1 / calc 2!). I understand that in linear algebra there is either one solution, no solutions, or infinitely many solutions. These are the only three possible outcomes. Where do I go from there? I would greatly appreciate any help/guidance.
 
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Generally the way to start thinking about problems like this is to pick a simple example and think about it. Take one equation in two unknowns, like r1*x+r2*y=r3 where r1, r2, and r3 are rational. That generally has an infinite number of solutions. Can you say why it has rational solutions?
 
so start with Ax =b, with A a matrix & b a vector, each with rational components what can you say if the system has a solution?
 
Dick said:
Generally the way to start thinking about problems like this is to pick a simple example and think about it. Take one equation in two unknowns, like r1*x+r2*y=r3 where r1, r2, and r3 are rational. That generally has an infinite number of solutions. Can you say why it has rational solutions?

Because the solutions have to equal a rational number?
 
dmitriylm said:
Because the solutions have to equal a rational number?

Well, no! They don't HAVE to be rational. If x=sqrt(2) the solution isn't rational, is it? The question just asks if there IS a rational solution. You should keep thinking about this.
 
Dick said:
Well, no! They don't HAVE to be rational. If x=sqrt(2) the solution isn't rational, is it? The question just asks if there IS a rational solution. You should keep thinking about this.

Is it because with an equation with an infinite number of solutions, at least one of those solutions must be a rational number?
 
dmitriylm said:
Is it because with an equation with an infinite number of solutions, at least one of those solutions must be a rational number?

Not just any equations. You have to figure out what kind of equations you get from solving the system with rational coefficients. Then SHOW it has a rational solution. Not just say it does.
 

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