Linear Combinations in 2-space

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying and plotting linear combinations in the xy-plane, specifically the combinations of the vectors α [2, 1] and β [0, 1] with parameters c and d taking values from 0 to 2. Participants are trying to understand how to derive the nine combinations mentioned in the problem statement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to plot the linear combinations based on the given parameters but express confusion regarding the problem's instructions and the total number of combinations. Some suggest considering permutations of the values for c and d to clarify the combinations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Hints have been provided regarding the total number of combinations, but there is no consensus on the correct understanding of the instructions yet.

Contextual Notes

There is some ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the definitions of α and β, leading to confusion about the parameters to use for generating the combinations. Participants are questioning whether the values can be interchanged and how this affects the combinations.

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Homework Statement



In the xy-plane mark all nine of these linear combinations:

## α \lbrack 2, 1 \rbrack + β \lbrack 0, 1 \rbrack## with c = 0, 1, 2 and d = 0, 1, 2

Homework Equations



ANSWER:

The nine combinations will lie on a lattice. If we took all whole numbers c and d, the lattice would
lie over the whole plane.

The Attempt at a Solution



I think my biggest problem in this, is not actually knowing what the question is asking.

I've tried plotting the linear combinations of me filling in α and β with the numbers listed for c & d.

1. ## 0 \lbrack 2, 1 \rbrack + 0\lbrack 0, 1 \rbrack ## yields, ## \lbrack 0, 0 \rbrack ##

2. ## 1 \lbrack 2, 1 \rbrack + 1\lbrack 0, 1 \rbrack ## yields, ## \lbrack 2, 2 \rbrack ##

3. ## 2 \lbrack 2, 1 \rbrack + 2\lbrack 0, 1 \rbrack ## yields, ## \lbrack 4, 4 \rbrack ##

I'm not sure where they are getting 9 linear combinations, but I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding the instructions of the problem.
 
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Hint: ##3 \times 3 = 9##
 
vela said:
Hint: ##3 \times 3 = 9##

Okay, so the only thing I could think of using that hint would be that I can do other permutations of the c = 0, 1, 2 and d = 0, 1, 2?

So maybe do 1 and 0, or 2 and 1, etc?
 
RyanTAsher said:

Homework Statement



In the xy-plane mark all nine of these linear combinations:

## α \lbrack 2, 1 \rbrack + β \lbrack 0, 1 \rbrack## with c = 0, 1, 2 and d = 0, 1, 2
Seems like it shoud be "with α = 0, 1, and 2, and β = 0, 1, and 2"

BTW, it's much simpler to just use the [ and ] characters than typing lbrack and rbrack in LaTeX.
RyanTAsher said:

Homework Equations



ANSWER:

The nine combinations will lie on a lattice. If we took all whole numbers c and d, the lattice would
lie over the whole plane.

The Attempt at a Solution



I think my biggest problem in this, is not actually knowing what the question is asking.

I've tried plotting the linear combinations of me filling in α and β with the numbers listed for c & d.

1. ## 0 \lbrack 2, 1 \rbrack + 0\lbrack 0, 1 \rbrack ## yields, ## \lbrack 0, 0 \rbrack ##

2. ## 1 \lbrack 2, 1 \rbrack + 1\lbrack 0, 1 \rbrack ## yields, ## \lbrack 2, 2 \rbrack ##

3. ## 2 \lbrack 2, 1 \rbrack + 2\lbrack 0, 1 \rbrack ## yields, ## \lbrack 4, 4 \rbrack ##

I'm not sure where they are getting 9 linear combinations, but I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding the instructions of the problem.
 
RyanTAsher said:
Okay, so the only thing I could think of using that hint would be that I can do other permutations of the c = 0, 1, 2 and d = 0, 1, 2?

So maybe do 1 and 0, or 2 and 1, etc?
Each choice of c (really ##\alpha##) can be paired with one of three possible d (really ##\beta##) values. How many combinations of the two does that make?
 
Mark44 said:
Each choice of c (really ##\alpha##) can be paired with one of three possible d (really ##\beta##) values. How many combinations of the two does that make?

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I didn't know if the points could be interchanged, but I guess there isn't really any reason why they couldn't be.
 

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