Linear Systems: Linear combinations

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The discussion revolves around determining if the vector b is a linear combination of the vectors a1, a2, and a3, with specific values provided for each vector.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of an augmented matrix to analyze the linear combination, with one participant expressing confusion about the implications of free variables in the context of linear combinations.
  • There is a debate on whether the existence of multiple solutions affects the classification of b as a linear combination of a1, a2, and a3.
  • Some participants suggest verifying calculations by substituting values for the free variable to see if they yield the vector b.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the accuracy of textbook answers. Some guidance has been offered regarding verifying calculations and the implications of free variables.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential discrepancies between participants' findings and the answers provided in a textbook, leading to further questioning of the problem setup and assumptions.

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Homework Statement



Determine if b is a linear combination of a1, a2, and a3.

a1= [1,-2, 0]
a2 = [0, 1, 2]
a3 = [5, -6 8]

b= [2, -1, 6]


The Attempt at a Solution



Alright, well I used an augmented matrix to solve the problem, and after reducing it completely, the matrix looked like this:

| 1 0 5 |2|
| 0 1 4 |3|
| 0 0 0 |0|

Solving for the c's, I got:
(Where the number to the right of the c denote which one instead of a multiplication number)
c1+ 5c3=2
c2+4c3=3
0c3=0

I found that b is a combination of a1 and a2 if c3 is set to 0, however, since c3 is a free variable, and therefore can be anything, then b wouldn't be a lin. combination if c3 be anything other than 0.

I'm having a hard time understanding this. Is it not a linear combination because there are other possible answers that wouldn't make it so? Or is it a linear combination because atleast one possibility works.

Thank you for any help.
 
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Novean said:

Homework Statement



Determine if b is a linear combination of a1, a2, and a3.

a1= [1,-2, 0]
a2 = [0, 1, 2]
a3 = [5, -6 8]

b= [2, -1, 6]


The Attempt at a Solution



Alright, well I used an augmented matrix to solve the problem, and after reducing it completely, the matrix looked like this:

| 1 0 5 |2|
| 0 1 4 |3|
| 0 0 0 |0|

Solving for the c's, I got:
(Where the number to the right of the c denote which one instead of a multiplication number)
c1+ 5c3=2
c2+4c3=3
0c3=0

I found that b is a combination of a1 and a2 if c3 is set to 0, however, since c3 is a free variable, and therefore can be anything, then b wouldn't be a lin. combination if c3 be anything other than 0.
No, this isn't true. c3 can be set to any value. Of course, this will give different values for c1 and c2. The point is that there are lots of linear combinations of a1, a2, and a3 that produce b.

One thing to notice is that if c3 = 0, then c1 = 2 and c2 = 3. What this says is that b = 2a1 + 3a2.

Geometrically, b lies in the same plane as a1 and a2.
Novean said:
I'm having a hard time understanding this. Is it not a linear combination because there are other possible answers that wouldn't make it so? Or is it a linear combination because atleast one possibility works.

Thank you for any help.
 
Ah! I understand.

Thanks, I forgot to also change the values for c1 and c2 when I picked another free c3.

What had me confused is that the book says it's not a combination. The answer on the back clearly states it in bold. However,the book is probably wrong (Which now a-days I find they often are in regards to answers in the back)
 
First, make sure you are working the right problem.
Second, if you're working the same problem as in the book, check your answers. In this case, set c3 to some value (0 is convenient here) and verify that 2a1 + 3a2 actually adds up to b.

Try a different linear combination, by setting c3 to some other value (and calculating values for the two other constants). See if that linear combination of a1, a2, and a3 also ends up with b.
 

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