Linear Dependence: Is (1,0,0), (-3,7,0) & (1,1,0) Independent?

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The discussion revolves around determining the linear independence of the vectors (1,0,0), (-3,7,0), and (1,1,0). Participants explore the concept of linear combinations and the implications of spanning the xy-plane.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss writing the vectors as column vectors and using row reduction to analyze their linear dependence. There are attempts to set up equations based on linear combinations and inquiries about solving these equations. Some participants question the implications of the rank of the matrix formed by the vectors.

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Several participants have provided insights into the row reduction process and the interpretation of the results. There is an acknowledgment of the vectors being dependent based on the rank of the matrix, but the discussion remains open with participants seeking further clarification and methods.

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There is a mention of the vectors spanning the xy-plane, which raises questions about the assumptions underlying their linear independence. Participants are also navigating through the constraints of solving the equations derived from the linear combinations.

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(1,0,0) (-3,7,0) and (1,1,0)

I'm trying to work out if these vectors are linearly independent or not.
Intuitively i believe they are dependent as they span the xy-plane.. but then how do i work out the linear combinations.

e.g:
(1,0,0) = a(-3,7,0) + b(1,1,0) where a and b are real numbers.

Ive tried writing the vectors as column vectors, then row reducing and i end up with

[1 -10 0;0 7 1;0 0 0] (which has rank(2) which means they are linearly dependent)

but as for where to go from here I'm lost.

Any help greatly appreciated.
 
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forty said:
(1,0,0) (-3,7,0) and (1,1,0)

I'm trying to work out if these vectors are linearly independent or not.
Intuitively i believe they are dependent as they span the xy-plane.. but then how do i work out the linear combinations.

e.g:
(1,0,0) = a(-3,7,0) + b(1,1,0) where a and b are real numbers.
Okay, so 1= -3a+ b and 0= 7a+b. Solve those two equations for a and b. I would recommend subtracting one equation from the other!

Ive tried writing the vectors as column vectors, then row reducing and i end up with

[1 -10 0;0 7 1;0 0 0] (which has rank(2) which means they are linearly dependent)

but as for where to go from here I'm lost.

Any help greatly appreciated.
 
Is there a way of doing this with matrices?

So writing the vectors as columns and row reducing, and from here deciding what are the linear combinations?

so [1 -3 1;0 7 1;0 0 0]

becomes [1 -10 0;0 7 1;0 0 0]from here is there a way of getting the answer directly from this matrix?
 
You prefer a harder way? Writing the two equations, 1= -3a+ b and 0= 7a+ b as an "augmented" matrix gives
[tex]\left[\begin{array}{ccc}-3 & 1 & 1\\ 7 & 1 & 0\end{array}\right][/tex]
where, as you can see, the vectors form the rows. That row reduces to
[tex]\left[\begin{array}{ccc} 1 & 0 & -\frac{1}{10} \\ 0 & 1 & \frac{7}{10}\end{array}\right[/tex]
showing that the equations have a solution (a= -1/10 and b= 7/10) and so the vectors are dependent. As for your initial method, the very fact that your matrix has rank only two tells you that the vectors are dependent.

Writing the
 
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