Linear Independence of ci Given Linear Independence of ui?

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The discussion revolves around the linear independence of vectors \( c_i \) given the linear independence of vectors \( u_i \) in the context of a linear transformation represented by a matrix \( A \). The original poster is trying to understand the relationship between these sets of vectors and how the properties of linear independence transfer through the transformation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of the linear independence of \( u_1, u_2, \ldots, u_n \) and how it relates to the vectors \( v_1, v_2, \ldots, v_n \) through the transformation \( A \). Questions arise regarding the nature of solutions to the equations involving these vectors and the conditions under which they remain independent.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the vectors and the transformation matrix. Some participants have suggested that if the original vectors are linearly independent, then the transformed vectors must also be independent, while others are questioning the assumptions regarding the invertibility of \( A \) and its implications for the problem.

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Participants are considering the implications of the matrix \( A \) being invertible and how this affects the linear independence of the vectors involved. There is also a focus on the notation used for vectors and the clarity of the statements regarding solutions to the equations presented.

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Homework Statement



let ui , ci [tex]\in[/tex] Rn

and

A [tex]\in[/tex] Mn(R) be such that AciT = uiT , i=1,2,...,n

Suppose u1,u2,...,un are linearly independent. Show that

c1,c2,...,cn are linearly independent

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The Attempt at a Solution



i was just learning the eigenvalue, eigenvector, but i didn't have any clue how to relate to this or this really related to eigen?

can someone help me
 
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I hope you don't mind, but I changed the names of your c vectors to v. c is almost always used for constants, while u, v, w, etc are used for vectors.
annoymage said:

Homework Statement



let ui , vi [tex]\in[/tex] Rn

and

A [tex]\in[/tex] Mn(R) be such that AviT = uiT , i=1,2,...,n

Suppose u1,u2,...,un are linearly independent. Show that

v1,v2,...,vn are linearly independent

Homework Equations



N/A

The Attempt at a Solution



i was just learning the eigenvalue, eigenvector, but i didn't have any clue how to relate to this or this really related to eigen?

can someone help me

Since u1, u2, ..., un are linearly independent, the equation c1u1 + c2u2 + ... + cnun = 0 has only one solution for the constants c1, c2, ... , cn. (What is that solution?)

Now, what can you say about the equation c1Av1 + c2Av2 + ... + cnAvn = 0?
 
Mark44 said:
Since u1, u2, ..., un are linearly independent, the equation c1u1 + c2u2 + ... + cnun = 0 has only one solution for the constants c1, c2, ... , cn. (What is that solution?)

one solution which ci= 0 , i = 1,2,...,n

right? I'm still not sure how to state that because, i remembered there are only one solution, but how to state that it is "only one solution"

Mark44 said:
Now, what can you say about the equation c1Av1 + c2Av2 + ... + cnAvn = 0?

this one, since

AviT = uiT

implies

ui = viAT

implies

c1v1AT + c2v2AT + ... + cnvnAT = 0

has only one solution ci = 0 , i=1,2,...,n

implies

v1AT , v2AT ,..., vnAT are linear independent

am i right?? did i over complicating things?

if i right,

i only show v1AT , v2AT ,..., vnAT are independent

how to show

v1 , v2 ,..., vn are independent
 
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can i make like this?

c1v1AT + c2v2AT + ... + cnvnAT = 0

has only one solution ci = 0 , i=1,2,...,n

implies

(c1v1 + c2v2 + ... + cnvn)AT = 0

has only one solution ci = 0 , i=1,2,...,n

implies

c1v1 + c2v2 + ... + cnvn = 0

has only one solution ci = 0 , i=1,2,...,n

implies

v1 , v2 ,..., vn are independentim sorry if i do over complicating things and annoy you much. T_T
 
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annoymage said:
one solution which ci= 0 , i = 1,2,...,n

right? I'm still not sure how to state that because, i remembered there are only one solution, but how to state that it is "only one solution"
Right. Just say that this solution is the only solution because it is given that the vectors are linearly independent.
annoymage said:
this one, since

AviT = uiT

implies

ui = viAT
I guess you took the transpose of each side. Not sure that this is worth doing. I would say that you can leave off the T's for transpose.
annoymage said:
implies

c1v1AT + c2v2AT + ... + cnvnAT = 0

has only one solution ci = 0 , i=1,2,...,n

implies

v1AT , v2AT ,..., vnAT are linear independent

am i right?? did i over complicating things?
Yes, a little, but you have the main idea. Instead of saying this:
c1v1AT + c2v2AT + ... + cnvnAT = 0


you can instead say this:
c1Av1 + c2Av2 + ... + cnAvn = 0

All you have done is replace ui in the first equation with Avi in the second equation. Since the first equation has only one solution (the trivial solution c1=c2=...=cn=0), then so does the second equation.

annoymage said:
if i right,

i only show v1AT , v2AT ,..., vnAT are independent

how to show

v1 , v2 ,..., vn are independent
 
hoho, thankyou very much mark44, hmm now only bugging me is the other question .. Let me try my best.

before that, can you tell whether A is invertible or not?
 
A is invertible.

If A were not invertible, then the dimension of the nullspace of A would have to be at least 1. That means that for at least one vector vi, Avi = 0.

Since you are given that Avi = ui, and the u vectors are linearly independent, none of them can be zero, hence Avi [itex]\neq[/itex] 0 for i = 1, 2, ..., n.

That's not the complete proof, but it should give you the idea.
 

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