Linear Map f:R^2 to R^3 with Given Inputs (1,2) and (2,1)

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The problem involves finding a linear map from R² to R³, specifically determining the mapping of given input vectors (1,2) and (2,1) to their corresponding output vectors (2,1,0) and (0,1,2). The task requires understanding the properties of linear maps and how they relate to vector spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the representation of linear maps using matrices and the significance of basis vectors in R². There are attempts to express arbitrary vectors as linear combinations of the basis vectors (1,2) and (2,1). Questions arise regarding the process of finding coefficients for these combinations and the implications of linearity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to express the linear map. Some guidance has been provided on how to derive expressions for coefficients a and b in terms of x and y, but there is still uncertainty about the overall process and the role of the basis vectors.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the task's requirements and the concept of linear combinations. There is a focus on ensuring that the mapping is correctly defined for any vector in R², and assumptions about the dimensions of the mapping are being questioned.

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Homework Statement



Find the linear map f:R^2 \rightarrow R^3, with f(1,2) = (2,1,0) and f(2,1)=(0,1,2)

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I actually don't understand this task. PLease help! Thank you...
 
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Hi
If you don't know where to begin, use that a linear map can be written:
\[\left(\begin{array}{c}f_{1} &amp; f_{2} &amp; f_{3}\end{array}\right)=<br /> F\left(\begin{array}{c}x_{1} &amp; x_{2}\end{array}\right)\]
Where F is a two-by-three matrix.
 
(1, 2) and (2, 1) are independent vectors and so form a basis for R2. Knowing what a linear map does to a basis tells you what it does to any vector.

You need to show what f(x,y) is for any pair (x, y). To do that write (x, y) as a linear combination of (1, 2) and (2, 1): That is, find a, b so that a(1, 2)+ b(2, 1)= (x, y). Then f(x,y)= af(1,2)+ bf(2,1).
 
2(0,1)+(1,0)=(1,2)
(1,0)+2(0,1)=(2,1)

like this?
 
Does that look anything like "a(1, 2)+ b(2,1)= (x,y)"?

a(1, 2)+ b(2, 1)= (a, 2a)+ (2b, b)= (a+ 2b, 2a+ b)= (x, y) so a+ 2b= x, 2a+ b= y. Solve that for a and b in terms of x and y.
 
a=1
b=1
x=3
y=3
like this?
 
NO! Find a and b for any x and y!
 
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x=1
y=1

a+2b=1

2a+b=1

should I make system out of those equations?

Actually, I don't understand the point of this task... I don't know what should I find...
 
Well, I've told you twice already: Solve the equations a+ 2b= x, 2a+ b= y for a and b. you should get a= an expression with x and y in it, b= an expression with x and y in it. Once you have done that you will be able to say that (x, y)= a(1, 2)+ b(2, 1) so that
f(x,y)= af(1,2)+ bf(2,1) and you know what f(1,2) and f(2,1) are.

You want to be able to find f(x,y) for any x and y. Do not assume x= y= 1!
 
  • #10
a=-\frac{x-2y}{3}

b=\frac{2x-y}{3}
,
now what to do next?
 
  • #11
We've dropped a dimension somewhere, haven't we? How does this map get the third coordinate?

The approach eys_physics suggested might be more straightforward. Write your argument vector and your resulting vector as either row or column vectors. If you choose row vectors, you have

[1 2] · [first row: a b c , second row: d e f] = [2 1 0] ,

and similarly for the other set. You will have a 2 x 1 matrix (2-d row vector) times a 2 x 3 mapping matrix giving you a 3 x 1 matrix (3-d row vector). Following the rules of matrix multiplication will give you a set of three equations in two distinct variables (the coefficients of the mapping matrix) for the first transformation shown, and a second set of three equations for the transformation of [2 1] to [0 1 2].

You now have a pair of equations relating a and d, another pair for b and e, and a third pair for c and f. All of these sets are simple to solve.
 
  • #12
Actually, I don't know why you multiply by [1 2] and why it is equal to [2 1 0]
 
  • #13
Physicsissuef said:
a=-\frac{x-2y}{3}

b=\frac{2x-y}{3}
,
now what to do next?
Excellent!

Physicsissuef said:
Actually, I don't know why you multiply by [1 2] and why it is equal to [2 1 0]
Haven't we already been through what a "basis" is? R2 has dimension 2 and, since (1, 2) and (2, 1) are two independent vectors (one is not a multiple of the other) they form a basis. Every vector in can be written as a linear combination of those two vectors. You have now determined how they can be written: for any x, y,
(x,y)= \frac{2y-x}{3}(1, 2)+ \frac{2x-y}{3}(2, 1)
Since f is a linear map, by definition of "linear",
f(x,y)= \frac{2y-x}{3}f(1, 2)+ \frac{2x-y}{3}f(2, 1)
Now, you are told in the original problem that f(1,2)= (2, 1, 0) and that f(2, 1)= (0, 1, 2).

f(x,y)= \frac{2y-x}{3}(2, 1, 0)+ \frac{2x-y}{3}(0, 1, 2)
= \left(\frac{4y- 2x}{3},\frac{2y-x}{3}+ \frac{2x-y}{3},\frac{4x- 2y}{3}\right)
= \left(\frac{4y-2x}{3},\frac{x+y}{3},\frac{4x-2y}{3}\right)
 
  • #14
Ok, I understand now how you find it. But I can't understand what we do actually to find it.
f(x,y)= af(1,2)+ bf(2,1)

f(x,y)= a(2,1,0)+ b(0,1,2)

we actually make linear combination of the 2 vectors in the basis, why?
 
  • #15
Physicsissuef said:
Ok, I understand now how you find it. But I can't understand what we do actually to find it.
f(x,y)= af(1,2)+ bf(2,1)

f(x,y)= a(2,1,0)+ b(0,1,2)[/quote

we actually make linear combination of the 2 vectors in the basis, why?
Because they were the only ones ones for which we knew what f does!

I hope that, by this time, you understand what a basis is.
 
  • #16
Is it (x,y)= a(2,1,0)+ b(0,1,2) or (x,y)= a(1,2)+ b(2,1)
 

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