Linear momentum and impulse problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving linear momentum and impulse, specifically focusing on a ball falling from a height and rebounding with reduced velocity. The participants explore the calculations related to momentum and impulse delivered to the Earth during the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using potential and kinetic energy formulas to determine the velocity of the ball before impact and its subsequent momentum. There are considerations about the vector nature of momentum and the implications of the collision involving the Earth.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the importance of considering momentum as a vector and the conservation of momentum in the context of the problem. There is acknowledgment of errors in sign and calculations, with suggestions to simplify the approach by focusing directly on momentum.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need to account for the direction of momentum after the rebound and the implications of the collision with the Earth, which may affect the calculations. There is also mention of the potential confusion arising from the use of negative values in the context of momentum direction.

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Homework Statement


A 0.3-kg ball falls from a height of 30 m from rest and rebounds with half its velocity upon impact with a sidewalk. Find (a) the momentum delivered to the Earth and (b) the impulse delivered to the earth.

Homework Equations


FΔt= mvf-mvi

The Attempt at a Solution


What I tried to do was I found the velocity using the potential energy formula to find the energy and then the kinetic energy formula to find the velocity right before the ball hit the ground. I then multiplied the velocity by the mass to find the initial momentum. After that I divided the velocity by two because it said that when it rebounded it had half the velocity. Then I multiplied half the initial velocity by the mass to get the final momentum. Then I used the equation FΔt= mvf-mvi to find the impulse. I got -3.7125 and the answer was 11 for both (a) and (b)
 
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BrainMan said:
What I tried to do was I found the velocity using the potential energy formula to find the energy and then the kinetic energy formula to find the velocity right before the ball hit the ground. I then multiplied the velocity by the mass to find the initial momentum. After that I divided the velocity by two because it said that when it rebounded it had half the velocity. Then I multiplied half the initial velocity by the mass to get the final momentum. Then I used the equation FΔt= mvf-mvi to find the impulse. I got -3.7125 and the answer was 11 for both (a) and (b)
Not too bad, but you missed out a bit.
1. Momentum is a vector (and it has units)
2. The collision involves the Earth - so you need to consider it in the calculation.
Law of conservation of momentum applies here.Note: It is easier to just use momentum directly, so you avoid awkward numbers.
i.e. if velocity halves and mass stays the same then momentum halves.
if it ends up going in the opposite direction, and the initial momentum was positive, then the final momentum is negative.
$$K=\frac{mv^2}{2}=\frac{p^2}{2m}$$... since ##v=p/m##
You want the gravitational PE lost falling turning into kinetic energy at the moment of contact so:$$\frac{p^2}{2m}=mgh \implies p=m\sqrt{2gh}$$... see?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
Not too bad, but you missed out a bit.
1. Momentum is a vector (and it has units)
2. The collision involves the Earth - so you need to consider it in the calculation.
Law of conservation of momentum applies here.


Note: It is easier to just use momentum directly, so you avoid awkward numbers.
i.e. if velocity halves and mass stays the same then momentum halves.
if it ends up going in the opposite direction, and the initial momentum was positive, then the final momentum is negative.
$$K=\frac{mv^2}{2}=\frac{p^2}{2m}$$... since ##v=p/m##
You want the gravitational PE lost falling turning into kinetic energy at the moment of contact so:$$\frac{p^2}{2m}=mgh \implies p=m\sqrt{2gh}$$... see?

OK I see what I did wrong. I didn't make the velocity after the ball had bounced negative. I got the right numbers with my method but the negative threw off my answer. Thanks!
 
Well done :)
 

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