Liouville equation with Dirac delta as probability density

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The discussion revolves around the solution to the Liouville equation with a Dirac delta function as the initial probability density. Participants explore the implications of this setup in the context of phase space and Hamiltonian dynamics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the solution to the Liouville equation is of the form ρ(t)=δ(q(t),p(t)), where q(t) and p(t) are trajectories derived from Hamilton's equations.
  • Another participant suggests verifying this proposed solution by substituting it back into the Liouville equation.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the application of the Dirac delta function in the context of the Liouville equation, particularly in relation to the distributional sense of equality.
  • There is a suggestion to avoid using test functions and instead apply standard derivative rules for distributions to clarify the proof of the equality in the Liouville equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the solution or the method of verification. There are differing approaches to handling the Dirac delta function within the context of the Liouville equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of working with the Dirac delta function and the need for careful treatment of distributions in the context of the Liouville equation.

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I would like to know the solution to Liouville equation
∂ρ/∂t=-{ρ,H}

given the initial condition

ρ(t=0)=δ(q,p)

where δ(q,p) is a dirac delta centered in some point (q,p) in phase space.

I have the feeling, but I'm not sure, that the solution is of the form

ρ(t)=δ(q(t),p(t))

where q(t) and p(t) are the trajectories from Hamilton equations.

Any help?
 
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Did you try inserting your suspicion into the Liouville equation to see if it does solve it?

Note that your suspicion is actually
$$
\rho(q,p,t) = \delta(q-q(t),p-p(t)),
$$
where ##q(t)## and ##p(t)## are just functions of time (that satisfy the Hamilton equations of motion), when expressed properly.
 
Orodruin said:
Did you try inserting your suspicion into the Liouville equation to see if it does solve it?

I tried, but it is confusing to me due to the nature of Dirac delta. Liouville equation read
##∂δ/∂t= -(∂δ/∂q)(∂H/∂p) + (∂δ/∂p)(∂H/∂q)## (1)

Equality should be understood in the distribution sense. Using a test function ##F(q,p)##, I get for the left hand side of (1)

##∫F(q,p) ∂δ/∂t dqdp= ∂/∂t∫F(q,p)δ(q-q(t),p-p(t) dqdp= ∂F(q(t),p(t))/∂t##

But I'm unsure how to prove the equality to the right hand side of (1).
 
You do not need to use test functions. Just apply the standard rules of derivatives that hold also for distributions. Take it step by step and show your work.
 

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