Liouville's Theorem: Sketching Rectangle Motion in px-x Plane

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The discussion revolves around Liouville's theorem and its application to the motion of phase-space points defined by Hamilton's equations for a single particle under a constant force. The original poster presents a Hamiltonian and seeks to understand how a defined phase space rectangle evolves over time in the p_{x}-x plane.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of a constant force versus a harmonic oscillator, questioning the nature of the trajectories in phase space. Some suggest solving the equations of motion for the corners of the rectangle to track their evolution over time.

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There is an ongoing exploration of how to visualize the motion of the rectangle in phase space. Some participants have offered insights into the equations of motion and the behavior of the corners, while others have raised clarifications about the nature of the force involved. The conversation reflects a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of phase-space volume conservation under a constant force, with some uncertainty about the trajectory shapes and the interpretation of the equations of motion.

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Homework Statement


According to Liouville's theorem, the motion of phase-space points defined by Hamilton's equations conserves phase-space volume. The Hamiltonian for a single particle in one dimension, subjected to a constant force F, is

H(x,p_{x}) = \frac{p_{x}^2}{2.m} - F.x
Consider the phase space rectangle of initial points defined by
0 < x < A and 0 < p < B

Let the points in the rectangle move according to Hamilton's equations for a time t and sketch how the rectangle changes with time in the p_{x}-x plane.

Homework Equations


\frac{d\rho}{dt}= \frac{\partial\rho}{\partial t} +\sum_{i=1}^d\left(\frac{\partial\rho}{\partial q^i}\dot{q}^i +\frac{\partial\rho}{\partial p_i}\dot{p}_i\right)=0.

The Attempt at a Solution


Substituting the Hamiltonian from the problem inside the Liouville's equation I can see that the density of particles of this volume is constant.
But, I don't know how to show the movement of this rectangle with time.
I guess that there is no difference...
 
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You can be more explicit about picturing the motion of the rectangle for the harmonic oscillator. You know p^2/2m+k*x^2/2=E which is a constant of motion. So the points in phase space move on concentric ellipses. That should make your sketch a little more expressive.
 
But it was a constant force, not an oscillator, right?

It was some time ago that I did these things, but an approach could be to solve the equations of motion for x and px and then use the corners of the rectangle in phase space as starting conditions for 4 different trajectories. Then you can see where the corners are at time t later and how the phase space volume has evolved... and all points that started inside the rectangle will still be there. Just an idea.
 
andrew1982 said:
But it was a constant force, not an oscillator, right?

It was some time ago that I did these things, but an approach could be to solve the equations of motion for x and px and then use the corners of the rectangle in phase space as starting conditions for 4 different trajectories. Then you can see where the corners are at time t later and how the phase space volume has evolved... and all points that started inside the rectangle will still be there. Just an idea.

Ooops, you are right! It's not a oscillator. Tracing the motion of the corners is pretty much what I was suggesting - except the trajectories will no longer be ellipses. Be careful not to assume that the boundaries of the region remain straight lines.
 
Thank you, guys!

So, I'm using the following equations:

\dot{x}=\frac{dH(x,p_{x})}{dp_{x}} = \frac{p_{x}}{m}

\dot{p}_{x}=-\frac{dH(x,p_{x})}{dx} = F

Now I thinking to substitute inside these equations the points of the corners.
(0,0), (A,0), (A,B) and (0,B).

For instance:
(0,0)

\dot{x}=0

\dot{p}_{x}=F

So, there is a variation in the p-axis, but there's no variation in the x-axis (I don't know if this is the right interpretation).

Do you think that I'm going in the right way?
Thanks a lot for your comments.
 
You have p increasing linearly in time. As p becomes non-zero then the derivative of x becomes non-zero and x becomes nonzero. So saying xdot is zero is only true at a particular time. The physics here is SAME as an object falling in a uniform gravitational field. You know how to solve that, right?
 

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