Liquid Diamonds: A Mystery of Gas Giants

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of "liquid diamonds" potentially forming in gas giants due to extreme atmospheric pressures compressing carbon. Participants explore the implications of this idea, questioning the terminology and the scientific basis behind it.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that liquid diamonds may form in gas giants where high pressure compresses carbon into diamonds that could then liquefy under further pressure.
  • Others reference a paper that discusses the melting temperature of diamond at ultrahigh pressures, noting that the term "liquid diamond" does not appear in the original research, suggesting it may be a misinterpretation by a journalist.
  • A participant emphasizes that the distinction between "liquid diamond" and "liquified diamond" is important, arguing that diamonds are crystalline and thus have short-range order, unlike liquids which have long-range order.
  • Some participants express frustration over the focus on vocabulary rather than the scientific implications of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the term "liquid diamond," with some agreeing that it is misleading while others defend the concept based on the conditions in gas giants. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the terminology and its scientific implications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of "liquid" and "crystal," as well as the assumptions about the behavior of carbon under extreme conditions. The discussion also highlights the potential for miscommunication in scientific journalism.

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Liquid diamonds may occur in the interior of gas giants such as Neptune and Uranus. What is a liquid diamond?
Liquid diamonds apparently may form in gas giants where huge atmospheric pressure compresses carbon into diamonds that are then liquified as they fall downward into zones of increasing pressure. I thought a diamond was a crystal structure of carbon. How can this also be a liquid?

https://phys.org/news/2010-01-ocean...S2kAKuWU8G_WVLGGF7PgFZ7nakZP3htOKtsmOse1IY_ek
 
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The Phys Org article appears to be referencing this paper published in the journal Nature Physics:

Eggert et al. Melting temperature of diamond at ultrahigh pressure. Nature Physics 6:40 2010
https://www.nature.com/articles/nphys1438

Abstract:
Since Ross proposed that there might be ‘diamonds in the sky’ in 1981 (ref. 1), the idea of significant quantities of pure carbon existing in giant planets such as Uranus and Neptune has gained both experimental2 and theoretical3 support. It is now accepted that the high-pressure, high-temperature behaviour of carbon is essential to predicting the evolution and structure of such planets4. Still, one of the most defining of thermal properties for diamond, the melting temperature, has never been directly measured. This is perhaps understandable, given that diamond is thermodynamically unstable, converting to graphite before melting at ambient pressure, and tightly bonded, being the strongest bulk material known5,6. Shock-compression experiments on diamond reported here reveal the melting temperature of carbon at pressures of 0.6–1.1 TPa (6–11 Mbar), and show that crystalline diamond can be stable deep inside giant planets such as Uranus and Neptune1,2,3,4,7. The data indicate that diamond melts to a denser, metallic fluid—with the melting curve showing a negative Clapeyron slope—between 0.60 and 1.05 TPa, in good agreement with predictions of first-principles calculations8. Temperature data at still higher pressures suggest diamond melts to a complex fluid state, which dissociates at shock pressures between 1.1 and 2.5 TPa (11–25 Mbar) as the temperatures increase above 50,000 K.

The article explores the behavior of carbon at high temperatures and pressures by exerting high pressures and temperatures on diamond in order to find its melting point. Nowhere in the paper does the term "liquid diamond" appear. Therefore the concept of a "liquid diamond" seems to be made up by a confused science journalist at Phys Org (probably a good reason not to trust materials they put out).
 
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Ygggdrasil said:
The Phys Org article appears to be referencing this paper published in the journal Nature Physics:

Eggert et al. Melting temperature of diamond at ultrahigh pressure. Nature Physics 6:40 2010
https://www.nature.com/articles/nphys1438

Abstract:

The article explores the behavior of carbon at high temperatures and pressures by exerting high pressures and temperatures on diamond in order to find its melting point. Nowhere in the paper does the term "liquid diamond" appear. Therefore the concept of a "liquid diamond" seems to be made up by a confused science journalist at Phys Org (probably a good reason not to trust materials they put out).
This is not the only reference.In any case, it is not a linguistic question but a question about crystals at high temperatures.
 
Diamond is a crystal, and so has short-range order. Liquids don't - they have only long-range order. So you are right, "liquid diamond" makes no sense. (But "liquified diamond" does)
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Diamond is a crystal, and so has short-range order. Liquids don't - they have only long-range order. So you are right, "liquid diamond" makes no sense. (But "liquified diamond" does)
I really didn't ask this to be corrected on vocabulary. I was trying to start a potentially interesting conversation.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nphys1438

But that's ok. I can just read some papers.
 
I apologize for agreeing with you.
 
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