List all the subgroups H of C_(12)

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The discussion revolves around the task of listing all the subgroups of the cyclic group \( C_{12} \) and computing the index of each subgroup. The context includes theoretical aspects of group theory, specifically focusing on cyclic groups and their subgroups.

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  • One participant expresses gratitude for previous help and seeks assistance with the specific problem of listing subgroups of \( C_{12} \) and computing their indices.
  • Another participant explains that there is a correspondence between \( \mathbb{Z}_{12} \) and \( C_{12} \) and suggests using knowledge of subgroups of \( \mathbb{Z}_{12} \) to find those of \( C_{12} \).
  • It is noted that every subgroup of a cyclic group is cyclic, and for each positive divisor of \( n \), there is a unique subgroup of \( \mathbb{Z}_n \) of that order. The positive divisors of \( 12 \) are identified as \( 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, \) and \( 12 \).
  • Participants mention that the subgroups of \( C_{12} \) can be expressed in terms of \( \omega^k C_{12} \) for the divisors \( k \) corresponding to the divisors of \( 12 \).
  • There is a request for clarification on how to compute the index of each subgroup, with a participant reiterating the formula for index calculation based on the order of the group and the subgroup.

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Participants generally agree on the properties of cyclic groups and the relationship between \( \mathbb{Z}_{12} \) and \( C_{12} \). However, there is no consensus on the specific steps or methods to compute the indices of the subgroups, as some participants are still seeking guidance.

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Limitations include the need for further clarification on the computation of indices and the understanding of subgroup structures, which some participants express uncertainty about.

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Hey guys,

Sorry that it's been a decent amount of time since my last posting on here. Just want to say upfront that I am extremely appreciative of all the support that you all have given me over my last three or four posts. Words cannot express it and I am more than grateful for it all. But, in light of that, I actually have some more questions for an exercise set that I have to do for one of my classes and I'm really unsure how to begin doing them. There are four of them and they all require proofs to some degree. Anyway, I was going to make one post and put all four parts of the same question in it (i.e. 2(a),2(b),2(c), and 2(d)), but was unsure whether or not it would be allowed here. So, for those reasons and to play it safe rather than try to do so, here is the third part that I've been having trouble with. Any help here is, once again, greatly appreciated and will leave me forever further in your gratitude.

Question: 2(c): "List all the subgroups H of C12 and compute the index of H in C12 for every choice of H."

Again, I have no idea where to start with this, so any help is extremely gracious and appreciated.

P.S. If possible at all, I'd need help on these by tomorrow at 12:30 E.S.T., so please try to look this over at your earliest conveniences. Thank you all again for your help with everything already.
 
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There is a well-defined, one-to-one correspondence (in fact, an isomorphism) from $\Bbb Z_{12}$ onto $C_{12}$, the mapping being $\phi : \Bbb Z_{12} \xrightarrow{\simeq} C_{12}$ defined by the equation $\phi([k]_{12}) = \omega^k$. Use this correspondence and your knowledge about subgroups of the group of integers modulo $12$ to determine all the subgroups of $C_{12}$. To compute index, use the fact that if $G$ is a finite group and $H$ is a subgroup of $G$, then the index of $H$ in $G$ is $|G|/|H|$.
 
Euge said:
There is a well-defined, one-to-one correspondence (in fact, an isomorphism) from $\Bbb Z_{12}$ onto $C_{12}$, the mapping being $\phi : \Bbb Z_{12} \xrightarrow{\simeq} C_{12}$ defined by the equation $\phi([k]_{12}) = \omega^k$. Use this correspondence and your knowledge about subgroups of the group of integers modulo $12$ to determine all the subgroups of $C_{12}$. To compute index, use the fact that if $G$ is a finite group and $H$ is a subgroup of $G$, then the index of $H$ in $G$ is $|G|/|H|$.

Hi Euge,
The same situation applies here as was the case with 2(b). I only have a small amount of understanding when it comes to what is going on in my Elem. Abstract class, so if you would be so kind as to please just provide me with the steps to the solution whenever you are able, as I am still heavily pressed for time and honestly have no idea where to go with the advice you gave me, nor do I have that much time to figure it all out. I would really, really appreciate it more than anything right now. Thank you again for your help with 2(a) and 2(b) though, that helped relieve the tension off of me a tremendous amount.
 
Every subgroup of a cyclic group is cyclic, and for every positive divisor $d$ of $n$, there is a unique subgroup of $\Bbb Z_n$ of order $d$. The positive divisors of $12$ are $1, 2, 3, 4, 6$, and $12$. Thus, the subgroups of $\Bbb Z_{12}$ are $k \Bbb Z_{12}$ where $k = 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 12$. By the correspondence the subgroups of $C_{12}$ are $\omega^k C_{12}$ for the same $k$-values.
 
Euge said:
Every subgroup of a cyclic group is cyclic, and for every positive divisor $d$ of $n$, there is a unique subgroup of $\Bbb Z_n$ of order $d$. The positive divisors of $12$ are $1, 2, 3, 4, 6$, and $12$. Thus, the subgroups of $\Bbb Z_{12}$ are $k \Bbb Z_{12}$ where $k = 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 12$. By the correspondence the subgroups of $C_{12}$ are $\omega^k C_{12}$ for the same $k$-values.

Thank you Euge for all the help. But, if you would be so kind as to provide the information, how exactly do you find the index values for each choice of H from here? Thank you again.
 
AutGuy98 said:
Thank you Euge for all the help. But, if you would be so kind as to provide the information, how exactly do you find the index values for each choice of H from here? Thank you again.

As I explained in Post #2, to find the index of a subgroup $H$ of a finite group $G$, compute $|G|/|H|$. Since $C_{12}$ has order $12$, the index $(C_{12} : H) = 12/|H|$. For example, if one of your subgroups has $6$ elements in it, then the index of the subgroup is $12/6 = 2$.
 

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