Ln(9/4) + ln (16/9) - ln (3/1)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of logarithms, specifically focusing on the manipulation of logarithmic expressions involving the natural logarithm function. The original poster presents a problem involving the expression ln(9/4) + ln(16/9) - ln(3/1) and questions why certain grouping of terms leads to different results.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the correct application of logarithmic properties, questioning the validity of different groupings of terms. The original poster attempts to understand why the associative property appears to fail in this context.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying the reasoning behind the manipulation of logarithmic expressions. Some guidance has been offered regarding recognizing factors in the logarithmic terms, but no consensus has been reached on the broader implications of the associative property in logarithmic calculations.

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There is an acknowledgment of potential mistakes in simplification, and participants are reflecting on their approaches to the problem without resolving the underlying question of logarithmic properties.

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Homework Statement



If you have, for example, 2 + 4 - 1, you can get the answer (5), by doing both:

= 2 + (4 - 1)

and,

= (2 + 4) - 1


But the same logic does not work with logs: to get the right answer (4/3) here you must do:

=(ln(9/4) + ln (16/9)) - ln (3/1)

and NOT:

ln(9/4) + (ln (16/9) - ln (3/1))


Why exactly is this so?



Homework Equations



ln (9/4) + ln (16/9) - ln (3/1)

2. Attempt at a solution

(ln (9/4) + ln (16/9)) - ln (3/1)

= (ln (4) - ln (3))
= ln (4/3) = correct

(ln (9/4) + (ln (16/9)) - ln (3/1))

= ln (9/4) + ln (16/27)
= ln (144/108) = wrong
 
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939 said:
= ln (9/4) + ln (16/27)
= ln (144/108) = wrong

What does that reduce to in lowest terms?
 
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scurty said:
What does that reduce to in lowest terms?

Ahhhh, such a stupid mistake. Thanks.
 
939 said:
Ahhhh, such a stupid mistake. Thanks.

It happens to everybody, you're welcome.

Rather than simplify at the end you can do it earlier by recognizing that 9 divides into 27 evenly and 4 divides into 16 evenly: $$\frac{9}{4} \cdot \frac{16}{27} = \frac{16}{4} \cdot \frac{9}{27}$$.
 
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