Local bending stress calculation in long beams

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The discussion revolves around calculating local bending stress in long UPN profiles due to concentrated forces. Participants explore the applicability of traditional bending stress formulas for finite elements in the context of long or infinite beams, and seek analytical or empirical methods for accurate calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Guideon questions the applicability of standard bending stress formulas for finite elements to long beams, specifically in the context of local bending in UPN profiles.
  • Some participants propose using Finite Element Analysis (FEA) as a potential approach, while expressing doubt about the existence of an analytic solution for the problem.
  • One participant suggests estimating the stress by treating the loaded area as built-in at a distance from the load, and using a plastic analysis approach with moving hinge points.
  • Guideon expresses concern that the proposed solutions may only provide estimations and reiterates the need for more precise analytical or empirical solutions.
  • Another participant's suggestion is met with confusion from Guideon, indicating a need for clearer communication and understanding of the proposed methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for calculating local bending stress, with multiple competing views and approaches being discussed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective analytical or empirical solutions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the beam's length and the applicability of various methods, as well as the need for clearer definitions and explanations of proposed approaches.

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Hi everyone,

Recently I faced a problem in calculating bending stress in a long UPN profile "flange" due to concentrated force.
It seems that the regular/familiar formula for bending stress in a finite/short element does not applicable in local bending of long/infinite beam. See sketch attached for clarification.
An example to such calculation I found in elevator's std for "T" rails calculation which express the stress in the "flange" root:

\sigma=\frac{1.85F}{c^2}

My question is how to calculate such local bending stress in a "flange" of std profiles such UPN/IPN...and sources/books in the subject.

Thank you,
Guideon
 

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My answer to everything - FEA.

But more seriously, I doubt there's an analytic solution to this, which would be why you have that empirical formula for a special beam section. You could get an upper limit to the stress by assuming a beam shorter than the width of the loaded region and use the simple beam equation you did.



guideonl said:
Hi everyone,

Recently I faced a problem in calculating bending stress in a long UPN profile "flange" due to concentrated force.
It seems that the regular/familiar formula for bending stress in a finite/short element does not applicable in local bending of long/infinite beam. See sketch attached for clarification.
An example to such calculation I found in elevator's std for "T" rails calculation which express the stress in the "flange" root:

\sigma=\frac{1.85F}{c^2}

My question is how to calculate such local bending stress in a "flange" of std profiles such UPN/IPN...and sources/books in the subject.

Thank you,
Guideon
 
Hi Unrest,

Thank you for your reply,
I am afraid that your solution to the problem could be used only for estimation purposes, I am still looking for analitical/empirical solutions.

Guideon
 
for an infinite length beam could you not treat the area under load as being built in at a distance away from the load? or use a plastic analysis approach with the concept of moving hinge point along an infinite beam..
take cuts at the hinges and treat as beam with imaginary built in ends (ie a couple applied to the ends of the cut)
with a theoretical max. moment generated either at cut (hogging moment) or at point of load (assuming point load applied) to give a sagging moment. then calculate your second moment of area for the section and using the Engineers Equation (M/I)=(Sigma/y) you can calculate sigma over a range of y and draw the stress distribution across the section @ point of maximum bending

I hope at that helps somewhat..
 
Red jeste,

I am sorry, but I didn't understand your idea at all. May be I didn't clarify myself well, attached sketch may be helpful to clarify your claim.

Thank you
Guideon
 

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