Log/Ln: Find Two Term Approximation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a two-term approximation for logarithmic functions, specifically ln(x+1) and ln(3u+4), in the context of mathematical analysis and approximation techniques. Participants explore various methods for approximating these functions near specific points.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about breaking up the term ln(x+1) for approximation purposes.
  • Another participant mentions the power series expansion for ln(1+x) as a potential approach.
  • A different participant presents the function y=ln(3u+4) and suggests using the hint 4=3+1 to facilitate approximation, indicating a need to manipulate the expression to apply known approximation techniques.
  • Another participant proposes expanding the function log(x+1) around x=0, suggesting a Taylor series expansion approach.
  • One participant reiterates the problem of finding a two-term approximation for h=5ln(3t+1) after substituting u+1 for t, expressing confusion about the next steps after rewriting the function.
  • A later reply suggests letting v=3u+1 and approximating h=5ln(1+v) using a series expansion, inviting further exploration from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for approximation, and multiple approaches are proposed without resolution of which is preferable.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the manipulation of logarithmic terms and the application of series expansions, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the necessary mathematical steps.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals interested in mathematical approximations, particularly in the context of logarithmic functions and series expansions.

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If you had something like ln(x+1) is there are way of breaking that term up?

I have a question where I have to find a two term approximation and I'm at a stage similar to this one and I don't know what I can do.
 
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What do you mean by breaking it up? There is a power series for ln(1+x)

x-x2/2+x3/3+...
 
I have y=ln(3u+4) and need a 2 term approximation (we are given a hint 4 = 3+1) so I assume that we must do: y=ln(3u+1+3) and the only way we know to approximate is y=ln(1+u) ~ u so in order to get that I need to somehow get rid of the 3 in y=ln(3u+1+3)
 
What kind of approximation.
We know log(x+1)~x
so expansion about x+1=1->x=0 would be nice
let f(x)=log(x+1)
f(x)~f(0)+f'(0)x+f''(0)x^2/2+f''(0)x^3/6+...
 
The entire question is:

Find a two term approximation for the following function near t=1.

h = 5ln(3t+1)
and after substituting u+1 for t

I get:

h = 5ln(3u+4)
Now it gives us the hint: 4 = 3+1

But I am stuck after this.
 
Physics197 said:
The entire question is:

Find a two term approximation for the following function near t=1.

h = 5ln(3t+1)
and after substituting u+1 for t

I get:

h = 5ln(3u+4)
Now it gives us the hint: 4 = 3+1

But I am stuck after this.
Let v=3u+1, so h=5ln(1+v)~5[v - v2/2 + ...]
Take it from there.
 

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