Logarithm properties in functional equations Show that f(1/a) = -f(a)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a function \(f(x)\) defined by the functional equation \(f(ab) = f(a) + f(b)\) for all rational numbers \(a\) and \(b\). Participants explore various properties of this function, including its behavior at specific values and under certain operations, such as multiplication and division. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that to show \(f(1) = 0\), one can set \(ab = 1\) and derive that \(f(1) = f(a) + f(1/a)\).
  • Others suggest that part (b) should demonstrate that \(f(1/a) = -f(a)\) using the result from part (a) and the condition \(ab = 1\).
  • Several participants agree that substituting \(b = 1/a\) into the functional equation leads to the conclusion \(f(1/a) = -f(a)\).
  • For part (c), it is suggested that \(f(a/b) = f(a) - f(b)\) can be derived by using the definition of \(f\) and the results from part (b).
  • In discussing part (d), some participants propose using mathematical induction to show that \(f(a^n) = nf(a)\) for positive integers \(n\), starting with the base case and building upon the inductive hypothesis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps to derive the properties of the function \(f\), particularly regarding parts (a), (b), and (c). However, the discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications and broader interpretations of these properties, with no consensus on the overall significance of the findings.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of the functional equation beyond the specific properties explored. There are also assumptions about the nature of \(f\) that are not explicitly stated, which may affect the conclusions drawn.

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Suppose that we have a function f(x) such that f(ab) = f(a)+f(b) for all rational numbers a and b.
(a) Show that f(1) = 0.
(b) Show that f(1/a) = -f(a).
(c) Show that f(a/b) = f(a) - f(b).
(d) Show that f(an) = nf(a) for every positive integer a.

For (a), if ab = 1 then a = 1/b and b = 1/a. Not sure how to proceed from here.
 
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My Name is Earl said:
Suppose that we have a function f(x) such that f(ab) = f(a)+f(b) for all rational numbers a and b.
(a) Show that f(1) = 0.
(b) Show that f(a/b) = -f(a).
(c) Show that f(a/b) = f(a) - f(b).
(d) Show that f(an) = nf(a) for every positive integer a.

For (a), if ab = 1 then a = 1/b and b = 1/a. Not sure how to proceed from here.

For part (a), suppose we let \(b=1\)...what does this imply from the given definition of \(f\)?
 
I think part (b) should be:

Show that:

$$f\left(\frac{1}{a}\right)=-f(a)$$

For this, using what you stated for part (a), that is to let \(ab=1\), along with the result from part (a), will be a good strategy.
 
MarkFL said:
I think part (b) should be:

Show that:

$$f\left(\frac{1}{a}\right)=-f(a)$$

For this, using what you stated for part (a), that is to let \(ab=1\), along with the result from part (a), will be a good strategy.

You are correct - fixed it in original post. Thank you.
 
MarkFL said:
For part (a), suppose we let \(b=1\)...what does this imply from the given definition of \(f\)?
If b = 1 then f(a) = f(a) + f(1) therefore f(1) = 0. Thanks
 
MarkFL said:
I think part (b) should be:

Show that:

$$f\left(\frac{1}{a}\right)=-f(a)$$

For this, using what you stated for part (a), that is to let \(ab=1\), along with the result from part (a), will be a good strategy.

From part a: If ab = 1, then f(1) = 0 and b = 1/a
Substituting these values into f(ab) = f(a) + f(b)
0 = f(a) + f(1/a)
f(1/a) = -f(a)
 
My Name is Earl said:
From part a: If ab = 1, then f(1) = 0 and b = 1/a
Substituting these values into f(ab) = f(a) + f(b)
0 = f(a) + f(1/a)
f(1/a) = -f(a)

Excellent! Now, for part (c), I would begin by using the definition of \(f\) to write:

$$f\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)=f\left(a\cdot\frac{1}{b}\right)=f(a)+f\left(\frac{1}{b}\right)$$

Now, use the result from part (b)...what do you get?
 
MarkFL said:
Excellent! Now, for part (c), I would begin by using the definition of \(f\) to write:

$$f\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)=f\left(a\cdot\frac{1}{b}\right)=f(a)+f\left(\frac{1}{b}\right)$$

Now, use the result from part (b)...what do you get?

Let $$b = \frac{1}{b}$$, then substituting into f(ab) = f(a) + f(b):
$$f(a\cdot\frac{1}{b}) = f(a) + f(\frac{1}{b})$$
From part (b) it follows that $$f(\frac{1}{b}) = -f(b)$$, therefore
$$f(a\cdot\frac{1}{b}) = f(a) - f(b)$$
 
I would use an inductive prove for part (d). Consider the induction hypothesis \(P_n\):

$$f\left(a^n\right)=nf(a)$$ where \(n\in\mathbb{N}\)

We see the base case \(P_1\) is true, because it leads to the identity:

$$f(a)=f(a)$$

So, applying the given rule for the function and \(P_n\), we can state:

$$f\left(a^{n+1}\right)=f\left(a\cdot a^{n}\right)=\,?$$
 
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MarkFL said:
I would use an inductive prove for part (d). Consider the induction hypothesis \(P_n\):

$$f\left(a^n\right)=nf(a)$$ where \(n\in\mathbb{N}\)

We see the base case \(P_1\) is true, because it leads to the identity:

$$f(a)=f(a)$$

So, applying the given rule for the function and \(P_n\), we can state:

$$f\left(a^{n+1}\right)=f\left(a\cdot a^{n}\right)=\,?$$

continuing from above...

$$= f(a) + f(a^{n})$$
$$= f(a) + n\cdot f(a)$$
$$= (n+1) \cdot f(a)$$
 
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My Name is Earl said:
continuing from above...

$$= f(a) + f(a^{n})$$
$$= f(a) + n\cdot f(a)$$
$$= (n+1) \cdot f(a)$$

Yes good...and so you have derived \(P_{n+1}\) from \(P_n\), completing the proof by induction. (Yes)
 

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